The Early Church & the Origins of Religious Liberty

[MisterVeritis]

I have never argued individuals do not exist. I just told you that. Yet you keep arguing it pointlessly.

I am delighted you have finally admitted it. It took a long time despite directly asking you if you believed individuals exist.

You declare that individuals exist therefore individuals have rights as you have 100s of times but not once have you argued out or explained the entailment.

It is axiomatic.

Whose right to life is it if not the individuals?

Besides, the topic is liberty of conscience, did you forget?

Whose right to conscience is it if not the individual's?

[Mister D]

1: saying that your source is disingenuous is NOT ad-hom.

THAT is ad-hom. So now that we have that straight.


2: Freedom of consciousness / mind is as old as human history, so ANY writer you may wish to bring into this will not be the first. What happens with institutions that "preach" such freedoms is what matters.

3: Jesus himself said "love thy neighbor" and "as you treat the lowliest of you so you treat me"... and we all know how that went don't we.

You see yourself as a conservative Christian so anything that you can find to bolster that self image is what you will post: you are proselytizing again. That is all you are doing. Your thread therefore belongs in the Religious forum, not history.

Christianity as a power has all but locked up societies into the dark ages and a host of wars.

Think of your message and the reality that surrounds that message before you proselytize as a conservative Christian.

Your thesis is just dismissed by the reality of human nature.

He's an atheist.

You're an idiot.

[Chris]

1: saying that your source is disingenuous is NOT ad-hom.

THAT is ad-hom. So now that we have that straight.


2: Freedom of consciousness / mind is as old as human history, so ANY writer you may wish to bring into this will not be the first. What happens with institutions that "preach" such freedoms is what matters.

3: Jesus himself said "love thy neighbor" and "as you treat the lowliest of you so you treat me"... and we all know how that went don't we.

You see yourself as a conservative Christian so anything that you can find to bolster that self image is what you will post: you are proselytizing again. That is all you are doing. Your thread therefore belongs in the Religious forum, not history.

Christianity as a power has all but locked up societies into the dark ages and a host of wars.

Think of your message and the reality that surrounds that message before you proselytize as a conservative Christian.

Your thesis is just dismissed by the reality of human nature.

Freedom of consciousness / mind is as old as human history...

The earliest cited is Tertullian. Do you know of an earlier writer?


That seems to be the only thing you posted of merit on the topic.

[Chris]

I am delighted you have finally admitted it. It took a long time despite directly asking you if you believed individuals exist.

It is axiomatic.

Whose right to life is it if not the individuals?


Whose right to conscience is it if not the individual's?

You're merely repeating yourself, mostly off topic, and ignoring answers and counters.

Whose right to conscience is it if not the individual's?

It is the acknowledged right at least of all Americans.

[jet57]

The earliest cited is Tertullian. Do you know of an earlier writer?


That seems to be the only thing you posted of merit on the topic.

Good lord, read history! Religion was supposed to BE about your direct line to God consciousness: "Christ" consciousness. But that never came to fruition - did it.

[Chris]

Good lord, read history! Religion was supposed to BE about your direct line to God consciousness: "Christ" consciousness. But that never came to fruition - did it.

Purportedly you have read history but you cannot cite the author who wrote about liberty of conscience before Tertullian? You sort of stepped into this one.

BTW, "conscience" and "consciousness" are two different things.

[jet57]

Purportedly you have read history but you cannot cite the author who wrote about liberty of conscience before Tertullian? You sort of stepped into this one.

BTW, "conscience" and "consciousness" are two different things.

I choose my words very carefully. So read them and them only.

Second; research the Sumerians and the Egyptian book of the dead.

[MisterVeritis]

You're merely repeating yourself, mostly off topic, and ignoring answers and counters.

It is the acknowledged right at least of all Americans.

Yes. I do repeat that we have rights because we exist. Our rights end when we end. It is axiomatic.

Did the Earth revolve around the sun prior to Copernicus writing that it did?

[jet57]

Purportedly you have read history but you cannot cite the author who wrote about liberty of conscience before Tertullian? You sort of stepped into this one.

BTW, "conscience" and "consciousness" are two different things.

Well as of 9:26 am you're still online with no replies...

Don't have any snappy answers do 'ya.

Good: READ - THINK - then post.

[Chris]

I choose my words very carefully. So read them and them only.

Second; research the Sumerians and the Egyptian book of the dead.

Cite lines from them speaking of liberty of conscience. No vague gestures.