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    AMA Says ‘No’ to Physician-Assisted Suicide

    AMA Says ‘No’ to Physician-Assisted Suicide

    I am conflicted over this issue. I watched my mother decline and die in hospice. So I see positives to it. But I also see the potential for abuse. Money was not an issue in my case. But in others it is. How many people would speed dear mother on faster than is perhaps warranted only to save the estate for- themselves?

    About a year ago, the Washington Post reported on the debate at the American Medical Association regarding physician assisted suicide, and asked whether its longstanding opposition might change. The answer is now in, and the answer is a resounding NO. We are not simply reaffirming opposition to an unethical practice. The AMA has reasserted the fundamental role of the physician as healer, and a commitment to principles of the ancient oath to Do No Harm.

    This summer, after 2 years of in-depth study by our Council on Ethical and Judicial Affairs (CEJA) and another year of formal debate, we at the AMA House of Delegates voted at the annual meeting by a 71% majority to reaffirm our opposition to physician assisted suicide, again noting that it is “fundamentally incompatible with the physician’s role as healer, would be difficult or impossible to control, and would pose serious societal risks.”

    We are the largest medical association in the country. With our recent vote reaffirming opposition we join the 2nd largest physician association, the American College of Physicians, which reaffirmed its opposition in 2017, as well as the World Medical Association, which reaffirmed its opposition in 2015.
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    So here's my 2cents. I also am not sure how I feel about this decision. I want to be able to make that decision myself and I've already talked about taking a road-trip when the time comes. I'd also be curious to know whether religion influenced this decision.

    I don't want to hijack the conversation but I don't think you can talk about end of life and not talk about the cost associated with healthcare.

    There are many situations in which a person is kept alive because the family cannot let them go. This results in high medical costs which contributes to higher insurance rates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trish View Post
    So here's my 2cents. I also am not sure how I feel about this decision. I want to be able to make that decision myself and I've already talked about taking a road-trip when the time comes. I'd also be curious to know whether religion influenced this decision.

    I don't want to hijack the conversation but I don't think you can talk about end of life and not talk about the cost associated with healthcare.

    There are many situations in which a person is kept alive because the family cannot let them go. This results in high medical costs which contributes to higher insurance rates.
    Ah.. so there is $ amount put on human life? Much like the calculation made when it is time to put down a dog or a cat? What about the fact we say that is appropriate to take away the rights of millions if it will save just one life. If you are going to say that then why not say we will spend whatever it takes to save just one life
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trish View Post
    So here's my 2cents. I also am not sure how I feel about this decision. I want to be able to make that decision myself and I've already talked about taking a road-trip when the time comes. I'd also be curious to know whether religion influenced this decision.

    I don't want to hijack the conversation but I don't think you can talk about end of life and not talk about the cost associated with healthcare.

    There are many situations in which a person is kept alive because the family cannot let them go. This results in high medical costs which contributes to higher insurance rates.
    You are not hijacking the thread. You're on topic. Good and valid points.

    I don't think the AMA considers religion at all in any of its decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Admiral Ackbar View Post
    Ah.. so there is $ amount put on human life? Much like the calculation made when it is time to put down a dog or a cat? What about the fact we say that is appropriate to take away the rights of millions if it will save just one life. If you are going to say that then why not say we will spend whatever it takes to save just one life
    I don't understand your question or the point you are trying to make. Can you clarify. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trish View Post
    I don't understand your question or the point you are trying to make. Can you clarify. Thanks
    The point is you are making life and death and economic decision. That will lead to bad bad things. "Death Panels" to be clear. Beyond that we say it is worth pulling out all costs in other terms to save a life. The gun control example. Strip rights from 300 million people on the off chance one life might be saved.

    So the parodox is we dont want to spend a few bucks on the off chance one life is saved. Believe me it wont be long before that choice is out of the hands of the person and family and to a government.

    Kind of like a red flag law for end of life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Admiral Ackbar View Post
    The point is you are making life and death and economic decision. That will lead to bad bad things. "Death Panels" to be clear. Beyond that we say it is worth pulling out all costs in other terms to save a life. The gun control example. Strip rights from 300 million people on the off chance one life might be saved.

    So the parodox is we dont want to spend a few bucks on the off chance one life is saved. Believe me it wont be long before that choice is out of the hands of the person and family and to a government.

    Kind of like a red flag law for end of life.
    When we move to single payer all health care decisions will become an economic issue. But let's just focus on the assisted death part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    When we move to single payer all health care decisions will become an economic issue. But let's just focus on the assisted death part.
    I think they are all related. You set the table with assisted death being on the table that will move to mandatory death in the government controlled system. That will be a reality you can count on.
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    I should add that government controlled health system is socialism. Socialism is not good at much, but it is good at killing. If we give the socialists the open door to kill they will take as soon as they can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Admiral Ackbar View Post
    The point is you are making life and death and economic decision. That will lead to bad bad things. "Death Panels" to be clear. Beyond that we say it is worth pulling out all costs in other terms to save a life. The gun control example. Strip rights from 300 million people on the off chance one life might be saved.

    So the parodox is we dont want to spend a few bucks on the off chance one life is saved. Believe me it wont be long before that choice is out of the hands of the person and family and to a government.

    Kind of like a red flag law for end of life.
    The insurance companies ARE the death panels. They make decisions everyday for millions of americans that will end their lives or bring them closer to ending their lives because the insurance companies refuse to pay for preventive healthcare.

    But medicaid does pay for the elderly to be hooked up to tubes and kept alive. I'm asking for what purpose? Where is the quality of life for the person laying comatose in a bed with tubes and life support. They aren't living, they are existing because the family member can't let them go.

    It sounds harsh but those resources could be going to someone who has a lot of their life ahead of them.

    I don't want the government involved in making decisions for me and I don't want religion involved in influencing my rights.

    I also see the dark side in which the decision could be made from a position of greed.

    It's a complex issue because it's an individual situation for each person.

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