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Thread: House defense bill would prevent use of Confederate names for military bases and ship

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    I would love to see some watchdog group do a fiscal analysis of how much it cost to draft, review, vote on and implement ridiculous bills like this. It also wouldn't hurt to also highlight more important legislation that in languishing in committee at the same time this crap gets voted on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    He fought against his country. He was a traitor.
    He fought for Virginia.

    If you don't take into account the mindset of the time, you really can't understand the conflict.
    "All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." Marbury Vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803). "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda Vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    He fought against his country. He was a traitor.
    As was Washington by your standards. I'm no war buff, but as an aside I feel pretty safe saying that Lee was a better general that Grant. At the time Lee fought he was not doing so against his country because he and he didn't want to be part of that country anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    As was Washington by your standards. I'm no war buff, but as an aside I feel pretty safe saying that Lee was a better general that Grant. At the time Lee fought he was not doing so against his country because he and he didn't want to be part of that country anymore.
    To a great degree America's forefathers have set a standard of Human Rights in USA which is different from the standard used in UK, Canada, Australia. In 1776, Slavery was American Standard of Human Rights.

    In 2019, the status of the lowest strata of American Society is much worse then the status of lowest strata in UK, Canada, Australia, NZ. That is the status of prisoners, addicts, and people in severe poverty.

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    Nonsense.
    "All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." Marbury Vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803). "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda Vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491.

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