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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Police in the US have slowly evolved from being organic parts of the community to hostile forces of occupation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Actually, I was pointing out that they were certainly suggesting that it's possible to take a knife wielding person with mental issues into custody without shooting them. They even made the point that unfortunate things happen when you don't call for backup. The film was made in 1960. Mentally disturbed people with knives haven't changed since then, just the attitude of police officers.
    Exactly right.

    The attitude has shifted from "officer of the peace" to "war fighter". Cops are indoctrinated into viewing Americans and American communities as potential combatants and warzones. Cops have also been indoctrinated into putting "officer safety" above every other consideration, including the civil liberties of the people they're supposed to be serving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Oh brother, you have no idea what you are talking about. What's sad is, you favor getting officers killed over knife wielding mopes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    How is that a strawman? She said she wants cops to try some side step judo chop, to defeat knife wielding attackers. That would most assuredly get cops killed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Exactly right.

    The attitude has shifted from "officer of the peace" to "war fighter". Cops are indoctrinated into viewing Americans and American communities as potential combatants and warzones. Cops have also been indoctrinated into putting "officer safety" above every other consideration, including the civil liberties of the people they're supposed to be serving.
    Well and accurately stated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    How is that a strawman? She said she wants cops to try some side step judo chop, to defeat knife wielding attackers. That would most assuredly get cops killed.
    Judo chop? How about basic hand to hand combat techniques - the ones they teach in the military or do you think that military personnel can get away with just shooting everyone who makes them nervous? Even the narrator in your video commented on that cop's lack of "empty handed" skills and stated "you do not want someone who is intent on taking your gun having your back and having your neck", "this is a very significant issue". The aggressor had more empty handed skills than Sr Officer Harrison and now injured but unarmed still got Officer Harrison in a choke hold and took him to the ground. But for being shot by Officer Bidinger he would have taken Officer Harrison's weapon. So basically Harrison's lack of skill ensured that Bidinger had to shoot the perp in the head before he could take Harrison's weapon and potentially kill both officers. This should be a training video on what not to do.

    Other mistakes pointed out by the narrator:

    If you have a knife wielding aggressor, keeping your vehicle between you and the aggressor might be a better strategy which would have allowed them to use a less lethal weapon like a taser to essentially disarm him rather than allowing the aggressor to push them onto a major thoroughfare.


    When issuing commands is ineffective, perhaps using a different tact to engage the aggressor i.e. hey man what's your name etc., might help to diffuse the situation.


    Once the aggressor started rushing Harrison, Harrison started shooting wildly (per the narrator) and most of the 10 rounds expended did not hit their target. Per the narrator, this is an issue with emotional fitness.


    Harrison failed to anticipate that the aggressor who was clearly bleeding, could still get up and charge him again.


    Did you watch the whole video or just the beginning?








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