The turning point for conservatives

[Chris]

A true conservative wouldn't touch Trump with a ten-foot pole, then - a man whose God is a close tie between money and his own ego, whose Family is whichever woman he happens to be cheating on at the moment, and whose country, apparently, is either Russia or Israel. The true American conservatives were suckered into voting for a practiced conman, whom they believed stood for and supported their own interests and vision, and who at the same time appealed to the worst instincts and prejudices of the country's bigots and xenophobes.

Win or lose in 2020 - and hopefully that date is a good omen with regard to the nation's vision - Trump has managed to bring down, possibly for a very long time, the level of discourse, debate and public behavior by our nation's ostensible leaders. Unity and compromise in the face of virtually any problem has become less likely to impossible. The largely civil and formerly fine balance between the conflicting urges in our institutions of governance, between the liberal and conservative impulses - the very thing that has seen the United States of America through far worse threats and troubles than any faced today - has been poisoned, and lies gasping for breath.

That, ultimately, has been and will be the legacy of the Donald Trump presidency.

And that, at least on the subject of Donald Trump, is my final word.

I agree, the level of "discourse" has come down but to blame Trump alone?

[Private Pickle]

A "true conservative", as defined by you, a hardcore left winger? Lol.

True Conservatives do not allow their personal opinions derived from things like their religion or family get in the way of supporting the Constitution and the freedoms is protects.

[Collateral Damage]

Another re-definition of a word... if someone is agnostic, but is conservative in all other aspects, are they a 'false conservative?'

I put no value on words as defind by those who treat it as a 'bad' label, which can also apply to 'liberal'. I don't beleive every single person has an absolute position. And you can see proof of it all throughout this forum.

[countryboy]

True Conservatives do not allow their personal opinions derived from things like their religion or family get in the way of supporting the Constitution and the freedoms is protects.

And true Scotsman only drink single malt scotch aged a minimum of 18 years.

[Cletus]

...is here, enjoy it.

What is a "conservative"? You tell me. Lately it's a cheerleader with fluffy, snowflake boots and a MAGA hat.

Ask the NRA.

That SCOTUS is stocked for another generation or two is the only take-away from this administration. Oh, the Iran deal was nixed to spite Bammy, awesome.

Just wondering what happens this election, think that magic will double up? Who has not been alienated this term? Cheerleaders... er, voters I mean. 2 plus how many millions of votes short of a majority election last term?

Not sure about this, I'm guessing "conservatives" still hang their MAGA hat on Trump's hook and I'm thinking that's a disaster waiting to happen. I really could care less about all of you simple minded $#@!s but this is my existence on the line here.

I don't see it happening at this point.

Wall was a failure, not that I care about that, walls are stupid, just something for fearful old men to hide behind but when you can't pass an ACA retraction with a GOP controlled house and senate that pretty much tells you where the GOP is right now.

Enjoy your "freedoms" fools, you deserve it.

Since you don't vote, don't worry about it. The adults will handle it.

[Chris]

True Conservatives do not allow their personal opinions derived from things like their religion or family get in the way of supporting the Constitution and the freedoms is protects.

I think the opposite is true, that conservatives value religion, family, traditions, and other social institutions, and believe it is from these values that constitutions and rights derive. Of course, that's just my opinion and I know others define conservatism differently.

[Private Pickle]

I think the opposite is true, that conservatives value religion, family, traditions, and other social institutions, and believe it is from these values that constitutions and rights derive. Of course, that's just my opinion and I know others define conservatism differently.

So you can't be a Conservative unless you value religion? Interesting. Perhaps you mean value the freedom to be religious?

[Chris]

So you can't be a Conservative unless you value religion? Interesting. Perhaps you mean value the freedom to be religious?

In addition to saying

I think the opposite is true, that conservatives value religion, family, traditions, and other social institutions, and believe it is from these values that constitutions and rights derive.

I said

Of course, that's just my opinion and I know others define conservatism differently.

And yes even though I am not myself religious I value religion.

[Private Pickle]

In addition to saying



I said



And yes even though I am not myself religious I value religion.

Really? What do you value about it?

[NapRover]

A true conservative wouldn't touch Trump with a ten-foot pole, then - a man whose God is a close tie between money and his own ego, whose Family is whichever woman he happens to be cheating on at the moment, and whose country, apparently, is either Russia or Israel. The true American conservatives were suckered into voting for a practiced conman, whom they believed stood for and supported their own interests and vision, and who at the same time appealed to the worst instincts and prejudices of the country's bigots and xenophobes.

Win or lose in 2020 - and hopefully that date is a good omen with regard to the nation's vision - Trump has managed to bring down, possibly for a very long time, the level of discourse, debate and public behavior by our nation's ostensible leaders. Unity and compromise in the face of virtually any problem has become less likely to impossible. The largely civil and formerly fine balance between the conflicting urges in our institutions of governance, between the liberal and conservative impulses - the very thing that has seen the United States of America through far worse threats and troubles than any faced today - has been poisoned, and lies gasping for breath.

That, ultimately, has been and will be the legacy of the Donald Trump presidency.

And that, at least on the subject of Donald Trump, is my final word.

Demonstrably false. I’m a true conservative and I’d touch him with a ten-foot pole.