The turning point for conservatives

[Private Pickle]

Well, unless there are two socks of you, you most certainly did claim that.

Where? Please quote me when I said “cavemen had no morality”.

By the way what does art have to do with morality?

[Safety]

Well, unless there are two socks of you, you most certainly did claim that.

Actually, no he didn't and you know that. Why do you always resort to lying when someone defeats your argument?

[stjames1_53]

Actually, no he didn't and you know that. Why do you always resort to lying when someone defeats your argument?

well, you are fond of claiming a win when you lose, so I guess he won that argument, according to your metrics

[Chris]

Depends on the society you're talking about. Murder for personal benefit has all but been universally accepted as morally wrong. Not so much in the cave man days.

Where? Please quote me when I said “cavemen had no morality”.

By the way what does art have to do with morality?

Already quoted it in previous post.

Oh, you're playing the I-didn't-say-those-exact-words game. You implied it. You implied progress in morality from cave men to modern times, from none to much.

[Private Pickle]

Already quoted it in previous post.

Oh, you're playing the I-didn't-say-those-exact-words game. You implied it. You implied progress in morality from cave men to modern times, from none to much.

No you didn't. I never implied that cavemen didn't have a moral construct. All I said was that murder for individual gain is universally accepted today as immoral while in the caveman days "not so much".

I stated that we have progressed a great deal morally from the caveman days and gave this as an example. If I didn't know you better I would say you're being disingenuous about this.

I shouldn't have to tell you this. The posts I made were in replies to yours.

[Chris]

No you didn't. I never implied that cavemen didn't have a moral construct. All I said was that murder for individual gain is universally accepted today as immoral while in the caveman days "not so much".

I stated that we have progressed a great deal morally from the caveman days and gave this as an example.

I shouldn't have to tell you this. The posts I made were in replies to yours.

Same thing. And what's the point when you have no evidence for your conjecture about cavemen or our "progressing" morally.

Again, very few humans ever lived in caves.

[Mister D]

I'd like to hear more about this moral progress.

[Mister D]

Same thing. And what's the point when you have no evidence for your conjecture about cavemen or our "progressing" morally.

Again, very few humans ever lived in caves.

"Caveman" doesn't really mean anything in anthropological or archaeological terms.

[Private Pickle]

Same thing. And what's the point when you have no evidence for your conjecture about cavemen or our "progressing" morally.

Again, very few humans ever lived in caves.

It absolutely isn't the same thing. That simply is not true. I've already given you an example of how we've progressed morally. The justice system is another morally driven progression that didn't exist for cavemen in the way it exists for today's man.

Comparing "cavemen" (I never said they lived in caves rather was just referring to the paleolithic era in layman's terms) to today's man morally, conceptually should be pretty easy. You said they were the same. Can you elaborate?

[Mister D]

It absolutely isn't the same thing. That simply is not true. I've already given you an example of how we've progressed morally. The justice system is another morally driven progression that didn't exist for cavemen in the way it exists for today's man.

Comparing "cavemen" (I never said they lived in caves rather was just referring to the paleolithic era in layman's terms) to today's man morally, conceptually should be pretty easy. You said they were the same. Can you elaborate?

There simply isn't enough data to substantiate your example and the justice system is irrelevant. If anything, that's a sign of complexity and organization not morality. Better still, how do we know if and how justice was administrated among Paleolithic clans? We don't so again we have very little if any data to go on.