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    Love of country

    Question: If a male friend were to state, "I really would love my wife, if only she would lose 40 pounds, become less of a nag, and do the housework more often," would you conclude that he really does love his wife? Or not?

    Likewise: If a person were to state, "I really would love this country, if only it would live up to the ideals (or values) contained in the Constitution," would you conclude that he really does this country, as it currently exists? Or merely that he is in love with some idealized image of this country?

    It does seem like a reasonable question...

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    Neither question cuts to the heart of the issue. I don't think it's a matter of loving either the country as it exists or an idealized version. You have 4 "women of color" who have been raised to perceive American society as an obstacle. It permeates their politics. They look upon America with resentment. This is astonishing to many of us considering the opportunities this country offers never mind the fact that these oppressed women who "will not be silenced" speak from the House floor and press conferences.
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    Name a perfect country, it doesn't exist, spouses are not perfect either. I am thankful my children, me, my parents, grandparents and even their parents were born in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    Question: If a male friend were to state, "I really would love my wife, if only she would lose 40 pounds, become less of a nag, and do the housework more often," would you conclude that he really does love his wife? Or not?

    Likewise: If a person were to state, "I really would love this country, if only it would live up to the ideals (or values) contained in the Constitution," would you conclude that he really does this country, as it currently exists? Or merely that he is in love with some idealized image of this country?

    It does seem like a reasonable question...
    You don't stop loving the country and it's people. What you want to change is the government and accepting the status quo is to NOT do your civic duty.

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    I am a US Citizen. Given the lack of help for people with disability, it can be impossible to feel any loyalty to USA.

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    USA is a multiethnic, multi religious civilization. Very little binds this society together. Many people have very little to thank this place for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCitizen View Post
    I am a US Citizen. Given the lack of help for people with disability, it can be impossible to feel any loyalty to USA.
    Then you are free to move to a place which satisfies your needs / desires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCitizen View Post
    USA is a multiethnic, multi religious civilization. Very little binds this society together. Many people have very little to thank this place for.
    You are the type of person Trump is referencing when he says you are free to leave.

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    Providing mental health treatment is not a federal responsibility. Petition local government if you wish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Providing mental health treatment is not a federal responsibility. Petition local government if you wish.
    Maybe he should ask why his relatives don't help. That is where it originates: Family.
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