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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The Plot to Undermine the Electoral College

    Since the electoral college can't be eliminated without a constitutional amendment, the hard left is trying to make it useless. By way of interstate compacts. The idea is that the states who join will pledge their electors to the winner of the national popular vote - this provision kicks in once a candidate reaches 270 electoral votes. So far 15 states and DC have agreed. That = 196 electoral votes.

    I imagine it will be challenged and the constitutional issues will be many and difficult. The constitution notwithstanding, the concept of a majority in Colorado voting X, but their electoral votes going to Y sounds decidedly un-American.



    Read the rest of the article at the link.
    The funny thing about this is that it's mostly blue states doing this. So, the practical effect of this is pretty amusing.

    1) In most of the cases where a president won the Electoral College but not the popular vote, it was a Republican. So, if mostly blue states are agreeing to this, but not most red states, then it isn't likely to change the outcome of an election.

    2) In the rare case where it would change the outcome, it would probably involve a Republican gaining the votes of blue states. For example, if this policy had been in place during 2004, Bush would have still won the election, since he got the popular vote, but his electoral votes would have been even higher than they were under the normal rules.

    If Trump wins the popular vote in 2020 (which is a very real possibility), then it would be hilarious to watch people freaking out even more if this NPV system was put into place. Trump would get virtually all of the electoral votes as a result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    The idea has been around for at least a decade and to call it a product of the alleged *hard left* is disingenuous at best.

    There's nothing un-American about working within the law or changing the law legally.
    Sure, but as I've stated in my other post, I don't think Californians or New Yorkers would be too happy about their electoral votes going to Trump if he wins the popular vote next time around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    The purpose of elections isn't to make people happy.

    You may want to write that down for future reference.
    That's something Democrats should learn from Trump winning.

    Instead, they've tried everything from impeachment, to indictment, to now NPV to remove him.

    Yet, if Trump wins the popular vote in 2020, they're going to need yet another method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rationalist View Post
    The funny thing about this is that it's mostly blue states doing this. So, the practical effect of this is pretty amusing.

    1) In most of the cases where a president won the Electoral College but not the popular vote, it was a Republican. So, if mostly blue states are agreeing to this, but not most red states, then it isn't likely to change the outcome of an election.

    2) In the rare case where it would change the outcome, it would probably involve a Republican gaining the votes of blue states. For example, if this policy had been in place during 2004, Bush would have still won the election, since he got the popular vote, but his electoral votes would have been even higher than they were under the normal rules.

    If Trump wins the popular vote in 2020 (which is a very real possibility), then it would be hilarious to watch people freaking out even more if this NPV system was put into place. Trump would get virtually all of the electoral votes as a result.
    They would scream and cry so loud and not understand why their plot to destroy the Constitution didn't work. It would be funny.
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    It’s not going to happen. Most people know that it would result in total chaos.

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    Iowa hawk offers bernie sanders a suggestion in his quest to abolish the electoral college.

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    https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2019/...toral-college/
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Good, albeit completely based on a false premise, point.

    The interstate compact got started long, long before the Dear Leader was elected, and the people that started it weren't snowflakes nor were they exclusively from one party.

    https://ballotpedia.org/National_Pop...rstate_Compact

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...e_compact_plan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Inc.
    "The interstate compact was not a reaction to Trump winning. It was a reaction to Bush winning instead."


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    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    The idea has been around for at least a decade and to call it a product of the alleged *hard left* is disingenuous at best.

    There's nothing un-American about working within the law or changing the law legally.


    Changing the law legally would be a constitutional amendment. This is a bypass of the constitution. Until enough state implement this run around then it will be challenged in court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    It is disingenuous when snowflakes who suddenly discovered how it works want it changed because it didn't work in their favor.
    Democrats specifically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Abolish the electoral college and we will experience true tyranny.
    Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I digress....

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