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    The Plot to Undermine the Electoral College

    The Plot to Undermine the Electoral College

    Since the electoral college can't be eliminated without a constitutional amendment, the hard left is trying to make it useless. By way of interstate compacts. The idea is that the states who join will pledge their electors to the winner of the national popular vote - this provision kicks in once a candidate reaches 270 electoral votes. So far 15 states and DC have agreed. That = 196 electoral votes.

    I imagine it will be challenged and the constitutional issues will be many and difficult. The constitution notwithstanding, the concept of a majority in Colorado voting X, but their electoral votes going to Y sounds decidedly un-American.

    Seeking to exploit this Constitutional provision, proponents of Electoral College reform have submitted to the states the National Popular Vote (NPV) interstate compact. The NPV plan proposes to award states’ electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote. In practice this means a state abiding by the NPV would award electoral votes to a national vote-winner, even if the majority within the state did not prefer that national winner. Currently, all but two states award their electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote within the state. As we shall see, this is a largely silent, invidious, and unconstitutional plan to abolish the Electoral College.

    The effort is silent because it is being enacted on a state-by-state basis and has received only sporadic local media coverage, with very little national attention. Once the plan has been enacted in a number of states equal to the 270 electoral votes needed to win the presidency, then the NPV plan will go into effect in each enacting state. Fifteen states and the District of Columbia have enacted the plan, totaling 196 electoral votes. As of this writing, Oregon is the latest addition to the roster of states that have enacted the NPV. On June 12, 2019, Governor Kate Brown signed SB 870 into law. The remaining 74 electoral votes could be obtained if only a handful of states enact the compact.


    When the Framers created the Electoral College, they thought the choice of executive would be made by a group of well-informed, prudent electors, who would be familiar with the character of those running for president.

    Historically, however, the Electoral College has ratified the popular vote preferences in the states, within the context of the two-party system. Nevertheless, the historical function of the Electoral College has served the nation better than the Framers envisioned. Candidates must compete on a national scale within the two-party system, often in “battleground states,” where it is uncertain how the majority in that state will vote. Battlegrounds shift over time, so each candidate must take into account the large national framework and campaign in states that would be ignored if the national popular vote were the basis for selection.


    The NPV plan seeks to replace the Electoral College without amending the Constitution. NPV proponents contend no constitutional amendment is needed because the Constitution leaves the appointment of electors to the states and an interstate compact can reflect the will of the states. Although under Article II, Section 1 states can appoint electors “in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct,” there is no constitutional basis for abolishing the state-based electoral system in agreement with other states. Proponents agree the plan is subject to the Compact Clause. However, they claim Congress is not required to consent to the NPV. The Supreme Court has upheld a few compacts that lacked congressional approval, but only those that do not disadvantage states that have not joined the agreement and do not interfere with federal purposes. For instance, the Court has upheld agreements on state boundaries that lacked Congress’s imprimatur. However, state boundaries or regional commissions are a far cry from altering the federal system created especially for choosing the President.
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    The idea has been around for at least a decade and to call it a product of the alleged *hard left* is disingenuous at best.

    There's nothing un-American about working within the law or changing the law legally.

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    It is disingenuous when snowflakes who suddenly discovered how it works want it changed because it didn't work in their favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    It is disingenuous when snowflakes who suddenly discovered how it works want it changed because it didn't work in their favor.
    Good, albeit completely based on a false premise, point.

    The interstate compact got started long, long before the Dear Leader was elected, and the people that started it weren't snowflakes nor were they exclusively from one party.

    https://ballotpedia.org/National_Pop...rstate_Compact

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...e_compact_plan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Inc.

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    Abolish the electoral college and we will experience true tyranny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Good, albeit completely based on a false premise, point.

    The interstate compact got started long, long before the Dear Leader was elected, and the people that started it weren't snowflakes nor were they exclusively from one party.

    https://ballotpedia.org/National_Pop...rstate_Compact

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...e_compact_plan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Inc.
    That it wasn't a mainstream talking point until 2.5 years ago is a pure coincidence.

    No doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    The idea has been around for at least a decade and to call it a product of the alleged *hard left* is disingenuous at best.

    There's nothing un-American about working within the law or changing the law legally.
    Hard left. And un-American.
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    Again if Colorado votes 80% for X, but the national popular vote is for Y, can anyone in Colorado be happy if their votes are reversed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Again if Colorado votes 80% for X, but the national popular vote is for Y, can anyone in Colorado be happy if their votes are reversed?
    20% will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    20% will.
    Will the courts?
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