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    'Where have all the smokestacks gone?'

    The solution to technological problems is the market.

    'Where have all the smokestacks gone?'

    ...From 1970 to 2017, the aggregate U.S. emissions of the six primary pollutants — nitric oxide, ozone, particulate matter, sulfur dioxide, carbon monoxide and lead — have declined by 73 percent. Ambient concentrations of these harmful pollutants have declined an average of 64 percent since 1990. Since 1970, real GDP increased almost 400 percent.

    Each year, most of the country has fewer days with “hazardous air” and, in many places, it is now zero. Fifty years ago, many of America’s rivers and waterways were unsafe to swim in or to consume the fish from — including the Potomac. That has all changed; most rivers have been cleaned up, and seafood from the nation’s waterways is normally safe to eat, not the other way around. The Untied States has made much greater progress than Europe and most of Asia in cleaning up air and water — despite having engaged is less micro-management insisting on un-economic solar or wind farms, etc.

    Entrepreneurs in much of the country were left free to experiment with fracking in order to greatly increase the supply of low-pollution natural gas. The result is that both the emissions from the production of electric power and prices fell, and now the U.S. produces more oil and gas than any country in the world. Two decades ago, most of political establishment would have said that is “impossible” — because they never did and still don’t — to understand the power of free markets.

    At no time in history, and in any other country, have more people breathed cleaner air and had high-quality clean water at very low cost available to them....

    ...Play a mind game for a minute. Assume that the federal government decided not to allocate any money at all to “cure global warming.” State and local governments could still spend money on it, as well as businesses and other private sector institutions, and of course individuals. What would happen? Low-cost solutions would be sought for very specific identifiable problems....

    ...Multi-trillion-dollar government schemes to fight climate change are nothing more than con-jobs for those seeking power. Lower-cost micro solutions developed by the private sector can deal with most problems far better than the political class, including those issues around climate.
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    The solution to technological problems is the market.

    'Where have all the smokestacks gone?'
    I agree. These detrimental mandates for renewables have to stop.

    Has Coumo learned nothing from NYC's five-hour blackout last Saturday? The market will handle it because the market encourages competition and entrepreneurship in the form of new safer, more affordable technology.
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    While this appears to be a good thing the smokestacks have gone to China and other Asian nations and last i checked every home still has one. You guys need look outside your libertarian bubble once in a while and see the real world.


    "There is not one grain of anything in the world that is sold in the free market. Not one. The only place you see a free market is in the speeches of politicians." Dwayne Andreas


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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    While this appears to be a good thing the smokestacks have gone to China and other Asian nations and last i checked every home still has one. You guys need look outside your libertarian bubble once in a while and see the real world....

    Smokestack on my house, hmmm, do you mean the chimney for the fireplace?
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    While this appears to be a good thing the smokestacks have gone to China and other Asian nations and last i checked every home still has one. You guys need look outside your libertarian bubble once in a while and see the real world.


    "There is not one grain of anything in the world that is sold in the free market. Not one. The only place you see a free market is in the speeches of politicians." Dwayne Andreas


    "In actual fact, there is no such thing as a "free market." Markets are the creation of government. Governments provide a stable currency to make markets possible. They provide a legal infrastructure and court systems to enforce the contracts that make markets possible. They provide educated workforces through public education, and those workers show up at their places of business after traveling on public roads, rails, or airways provided by government. Businesses that use the "free market" are protected by police and fire departments provided by government, and send their communications - from phone to fax to internet - over lines that follow public rights-of-way maintained and protected by government." Thom Hartmann
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Incorrect hard left deluded one.

    He's funny. The point is capitalism can solve problems, and midcan counters with communist China failing.
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    I don't know if it's starting, it's really complicated and most people I think living in a capitalist society are fat and happy, and ignorant - which all go hand in hand.

    I don't know what the alternative is also, I don't think socialism is. Or socialistic, there is no pure anything. Confusion, chaos, who knows but as long as the vast minority elite wealthy are in control it doesn't matter. Dogs will readily lap up table scraps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    While this appears to be a good thing the smokestacks have gone to China and other Asian nations and last i checked every home still has one. You guys need look outside your libertarian bubble once in a while and see the real world.


    "There is not one grain of anything in the world that is sold in the free market. Not one. The only place you see a free market is in the speeches of politicians." Dwayne Andreas


    "In actual fact, there is no such thing as a "free market." Markets are the creation of government. Governments provide a stable currency to make markets possible. They provide a legal infrastructure and court systems to enforce the contracts that make markets possible. They provide educated workforces through public education, and those workers show up at their places of business after traveling on public roads, rails, or airways provided by government. Businesses that use the "free market" are protected by police and fire departments provided by government, and send their communications - from phone to fax to internet - over lines that follow public rights-of-way maintained and protected by government." Thom Hartmann
    Pretty much nailed it.
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