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    An interesting comparison of Scalia and Thomas.

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    ...Antonin Scalia justly earned the credit for taking originalism — the idea that the words of the Constitution ought to be interpreted according to the original public understanding of those words at the time of its composition — from obscure theory to standard method. But in Thomas, the theory has found near-perfection.

    The difference between the two justices can be seen most clearly in Gonzales v. Raich, a 2005 case concerning Congress’ power to regulate narcotics. The traditional justification for federal drug laws has been that the drugs are items of interstate commerce. Often they are, but not always. In Gonzales v. Raich, the defendants were prosecuted for growing and smoking marijuana on their own land. The plants never left the property, let alone the state, but the court ruled 6-3 that under the precedents dating back to Wickard v. Filburn in 1942, the federal drug laws were an appropriate exercise of the power to regulate interstate commerce.

    Scalia voted with the majority, concurring separately and only expressing his preference for a slightly more nuanced ruling. Thomas dissented. Two other justices — Sandra Day O’Connor and William Rehnquist — believed that the court was stretching the commerce clause too far. Thomas agreed, but also dissented separately to argue that the court’s view of that clause was so far from the original public understanding of commerce as to be nonsensical.

    “Commerce,” Thomas explained, “commonly meant trade or exchange (and shipping for these purposes)” to the people who wrote and ratified the Constitution, and to the public at large in those days. No one would call growing a plant “commerce,” nor would consuming it meet the definition. And in any case, none of this commerce was carried out “among the several States,” as the Constitution demands. It was localized production and consumption, nothing more.

    But how to reconcile that interpretation, correct though it may be, with the long line of precedents descending from Wickard v. Filburn? That gets to the heart of what makes Thomas’ judicial style unique. Thomas does not demand that the court should be forced to follow incorrect precedents.

    ...Thomas’ radical originalism promises a cure to the perversion Thomas’ the Constitution through caselaw now calcified in stare decisis. But in unearthing the Lost Constitution, Thomas’ approach also threatens to dig up a lot of trouble. Magnet agrees with his subject that this would nonetheless be an improvement. Time will tell, if Thomas can find enough of his fellow justices to agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    An interesting comparison of Scalia and Thomas.

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    During prohibition making booze in your own home for your own use was illegal too. So except for certain states and conditions, growing weed is illegal too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    During prohibition making booze in your own home for your own use was illegal too. So except for certain states and conditions, growing weed is illegal too.
    That's great, but was not the point of the OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    That's great, but was not the point of the OP.
    It's a point well made, so live with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    During prohibition making booze in your own home for your own use was illegal too. So except for certain states and conditions, growing weed is illegal too.

    Yes the drugs that kill are legal and then pot with like zero OD's and little association between intoxication and violence is not. Makes perfect nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    It's a point well made, so live with it.
    Thank you for the compliment, I can live with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Yes the drugs that kill are legal and then pot with like zero OD's and little association between intoxication and violence is not. Makes perfect nonsense.
    But has what to do with a comparison of Scalia's and Thomas's jurisprudence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Thank you for the compliment, I can live with that.
    Yeah, my point was a good one that's for sure; you - are still just mumbling and snorting disapproval, but saying nothing as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Yes the drugs that kill are legal and then pot with like zero OD's and little association between intoxication and violence is not. Makes perfect nonsense.
    You need to take your complaint the GOP. We covered it in California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Yeah, my point was a good one that's for sure; you - are still just mumbling and snorting disapproval, but saying nothing as usual.
    Please go find a thread you understand.
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