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    Menkampf

    Menkampf is an online phenomena where misandrist quotes are modified with the word "men" being replaced by a minority group. By July 2019, r/menkampf is the largest subreddit making fun of Misandry. It is similar to r/tumblrinaction and r/kotakuinaction which make fun of SJW rhetoric in general. Subreddit r/inceltears makes fun of online misogyny.

    Menkampf is problematic on many levels. First, antisemitic jokes are antisemitic. Racist jokes are racist. A lot of things posted there are very vile -- even if the posters claim to be joking. Antisemitism and Racism have a long and tragic history, joking about which is very wrong. Joking about Megatragedy is evil. You can not fight Hate Speech by engaging in it!

    Second, the literary presentation of menkampf is lazy and thus very low quality. Just replacing words takes least amount of work. It also makes least amount of sense. For instance, there was a post on r/Twoxchromosomes by a young lady who was walking to her car. A man who knows his place moved to the other side and apologized for presenting a danger by his masculine presence. Just replacing the word "man" by a minority group makes it look like a farce. In order to make the scenario realistic, the year also has to be replaced, although it can still be '19. The lady would be going to Model T, she would be holding a hairpin rather then a pepper spray can, and inside the car she would have a white feather rather then a @@@@@ hat. Racism would be as acceptable as misandry is in '19 of this century.

    Third, misandry should be considered as vile as any other bigotry because men are human. Not because these quotes are vile when the word men is replaced by another group, but because we are humans like women. Hopefully in two decades, the new generation of men and some women will understand that men have been subject to decades of undeserved hate and discrimination.

    Even though historical comparisons of hate and discrimination may be insensitive, they do contain an important truth. No two historical phenomena, like old racism and new misandry are exactly the same. Nevertheless, every type of bigotry/discrimination has many similarities. Hate speech against men has many themes similar to racism throughout History -- dehumanization, collective guilt, and threat narrative. All these phenomena have existed for millennia.

    Modern Western Society is neither more tolerant nor more humane then it was centuries ago. Acceptable targets of bigotry have changed, but bigotry is in place. Forms of bigotry acceptable in the previous centuries are rightly viewed as truly monstrous. Racist views which were widely acceptable in early 20th century would make one a pariah in 2019. Hopefully, hate and discrimination against men practiced in 2019 would be viewed as barbaric by future generations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCitizen View Post
    Menkampf is an online phenomena where misandrist quotes are modified with the word "men" being replaced by a minority group. By July 2019, r/menkampf is the largest subreddit making fun of Misandry. It is similar to r/tumblrinaction and r/kotakuinaction which make fun of SJW rhetoric in general. Subreddit r/inceltears makes fun of online misogyny.

    Menkampf is problematic on many levels. First, antisemitic jokes are antisemitic. Racist jokes are racist. A lot of things posted there are very vile -- even if the posters claim to be joking. Antisemitism and Racism have a long and tragic history, joking about which is very wrong. Joking about Megatragedy is evil. You can not fight Hate Speech by engaging in it!

    Second, the literary presentation of menkampf is lazy and thus very low quality. Just replacing words takes least amount of work. It also makes least amount of sense. For instance, there was a post on r/Twoxchromosomes by a young lady who was walking to her car. A man who knows his place moved to the other side and apologized for presenting a danger by his masculine presence. Just replacing the word "man" by a minority group makes it look like a farce. In order to make the scenario realistic, the year also has to be replaced, although it can still be '19. The lady would be going to Model T, she would be holding a hairpin rather then a pepper spray can, and inside the car she would have a white feather rather then a @@@@@ hat. Racism would be as acceptable as misandry is in '19 of this century.

    Third, misandry should be considered as vile as any other bigotry because men are human. Not because these quotes are vile when the word men is replaced by another group, but because we are humans like women. Hopefully in two decades, the new generation of men and some women will understand that men have been subject to decades of undeserved hate and discrimination.

    Even though historical comparisons of hate and discrimination may be insensitive, they do contain an important truth. No two historical phenomena, like old racism and new misandry are exactly the same. Nevertheless, every type of bigotry/discrimination has many similarities. Hate speech against men has many themes similar to racism throughout History -- dehumanization, collective guilt, and threat narrative. All these phenomena have existed for millennia.

    Modern Western Society is neither more tolerant nor more humane then it was centuries ago. Acceptable targets of bigotry have changed, but bigotry is in place. Forms of bigotry acceptable in the previous centuries are rightly viewed as truly monstrous. Racist views which were widely acceptable in early 20th century would make one a pariah in 2019. Hopefully, hate and discrimination against men practiced in 2019 would be viewed as barbaric by future generations.
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    I checked it out - that's pretty bad, mostly because I doubt those people are joking. Some of it could be funny if it were not so blatantly antisemitic on the whole. There is a certain level of laughing at ourselves and self-deprecation that I think humans benefit from but not when it comes from a place of hatred or ignorance (which is what I believe primarily constitutes hate speech - ignorance).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaide View Post
    I checked it out - that's pretty bad, mostly because I doubt those people are joking. Some of it could be funny if it were not so blatantly antisemitic on the whole. There is a certain level of laughing at ourselves and self-deprecation that I think humans benefit from but not when it comes from a place of hatred or ignorance (which is what I believe primarily constitutes hate speech - ignorance).
    Definitely. The answer to Hate Speech is not more Hate Speech.

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    I haven't been to this reddit, but I love offensive jokes. George Carlin pulled very few punches. Comedy needs to return to that.

    Nowadays, most of the only good comedy is found on the internet and largely through memes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCitizen View Post
    Menkampf is an online phenomena where misandrist quotes are modified with the word "men" being replaced by a minority group. By July 2019, r/menkampf is the largest subreddit making fun of Misandry. It is similar to r/tumblrinaction and r/kotakuinaction which make fun of SJW rhetoric in general. Subreddit r/inceltears makes fun of online misogyny.

    Menkampf is problematic on many levels. First, antisemitic jokes are antisemitic. Racist jokes are racist. A lot of things posted there are very vile -- even if the posters claim to be joking. Antisemitism and Racism have a long and tragic history, joking about which is very wrong. Joking about Megatragedy is evil. You can not fight Hate Speech by engaging in it!

    Second, the literary presentation of menkampf is lazy and thus very low quality. Just replacing words takes least amount of work. It also makes least amount of sense. For instance, there was a post on r/Twoxchromosomes by a young lady who was walking to her car. A man who knows his place moved to the other side and apologized for presenting a danger by his masculine presence. Just replacing the word "man" by a minority group makes it look like a farce. In order to make the scenario realistic, the year also has to be replaced, although it can still be '19. The lady would be going to Model T, she would be holding a hairpin rather then a pepper spray can, and inside the car she would have a white feather rather then a @@@@@ hat. Racism would be as acceptable as misandry is in '19 of this century.

    Third, misandry should be considered as vile as any other bigotry because men are human. Not because these quotes are vile when the word men is replaced by another group, but because we are humans like women. Hopefully in two decades, the new generation of men and some women will understand that men have been subject to decades of undeserved hate and discrimination.

    Even though historical comparisons of hate and discrimination may be insensitive, they do contain an important truth. No two historical phenomena, like old racism and new misandry are exactly the same. Nevertheless, every type of bigotry/discrimination has many similarities. Hate speech against men has many themes similar to racism throughout History -- dehumanization, collective guilt, and threat narrative. All these phenomena have existed for millennia.

    Modern Western Society is neither more tolerant nor more humane then it was centuries ago. Acceptable targets of bigotry have changed, but bigotry is in place. Forms of bigotry acceptable in the previous centuries are rightly viewed as truly monstrous. Racist views which were widely acceptable in early 20th century would make one a pariah in 2019. Hopefully, hate and discrimination against men practiced in 2019 would be viewed as barbaric by future generations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    White rural dudes are fair game, but we should be able to return in kind
    Definitely Modern Western Civilization accepts severe discrimination and unlimited hate speech against men.

    Modern Western Civilization is no more humane then civilizations in previous centuries which found racism as acceptable.

    As for MenKampf -- they are guilty of hate speech against Jews, which is evil. AntiSemitism was practiced for millennia culminating in the worst crimes in History of Humankind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCitizen View Post
    Definitely. The answer to Hate Speech is not more Hate Speech.
    The answer is to change the channel, not have the government ban the speech. IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    The answer is to change the channel, not have the government ban the speech. IMHO.
    The Society must disapprove all Hate Speech. For instance, Richard Spencer has not been prosecuted, but he has a status of Enemy of the People.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCitizen View Post
    The Society must disapprove all Hate Speech. For instance, Richard Spencer has not been prosecuted, but he has a status of Enemy of the People.
    I don’t know what that status means but we need to disapprove as a people. I don’t know who he is other than he is mentioned on here every now and then.
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