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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Some of them do, yes, thanks to left wing fascists.
    Left-wing and fascist are almost antonyms. Fascism is always characterized by extreme nationalism and anti-socialistic beliefs. Fascists believe in a well defined class system within the context of a supreme state. Fascists find the idea of immigration odious and promote the idea of a monoculture. They also believe in autarky.
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    To paraphrase another post regarding Trump, if he is a fascist he sucks at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Left-wing and fascist are almost antonyms. Fascism is always characterized by extreme nationalism and anti-socialistic beliefs. Fascists believe in a well defined class system within the context of a supreme state. Fascists find the idea of immigration odious and promote the idea of a monoculture. They also believe in autarky.
    No, they are not. American left/right doesn't match European. Fascists were like communists anti-liberal and anti-capitalism. They vied with communists for power. Mussolini was initially a socialist and while he broke from them, he continued to be influenced by Lenin:

    ...On numerous occasions, Benito Mussolini identified his economic policies with “state capitalism”—the exact phrase that Vladimir Lenin used to usher in his New Economic Policy (NEP). Lenin wrote: “State capitalism would be a step forward as compared with the present state of affairs in our Soviet Republic.”2 After Russia’s economy collapsed in 1921, Lenin allowed privatization and private initiative, and he let the people trade, buy and sell for private profit.3 Lenin was moving towards a mixed economy. He even demanded that state-owned companies operate on profit/loss principles.4 Lenin acknowledged that he had to back away from total socialism and allow some capitalism.

    Mussolini followed Lenin’s example and proceeded to establish a state-driven economic model in Italy. In essence, Mussolini’s fascism was simply an imitation of Lenin’s “third way,” which combined market-based mechanisms and socialism—similar to Red China’s “market socialism.” In short, Lenin’s revised Marxism culminated in “socialist-lite” policies that helped inspire Mussolini to craft his own Italian-style fascism with a right-wing socialist twist. Thus, one could argue that Lenin’s politics were the first modern-day version of fascism and state-corporatism....
    @ https://www.econlib.org/library/Colu...lsfascism.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Left-wing and fascist are almost antonyms. Fascism is always characterized by extreme nationalism and anti-socialistic beliefs. Fascists believe in a well defined class system within the context of a supreme state. Fascists find the idea of immigration odious and promote the idea of a monoculture. They also believe in autarky.
    Fascists are socialist. They always are. I don't know what autarky is.

    Fascists believe in controlled capitalism. They tell companies what to do but not how to do it. Capitalists to be free of any rules. Unions are not allowed. Strikes are met with Army gunfire. They allow the companies freedom to set any price except for government buying and a few other things.

    They insure housing, jobs and healthcare. Fascists are afraid of the "people" until they have complete control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    His cronies end up in jail or under the bus.
    Trump is a Capitalist, it's what Capitalists do.

    The fundamental basis of capitalism is lies, deceit and treachery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Fascists are socialist. They always are. I don't know what autarky is.

    Fascists believe in controlled capitalism. They tell companies what to do but not how to do it. Capitalists to be free of any rules. Unions are not allowed. Strikes are met with Army gunfire. They allow the companies freedom to set any price except for government buying and a few other things.

    They insure housing, jobs and healthcare. Fascists are afraid of the "people" until they have complete control.
    More reinvention of terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    More reinvention of terms.

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    I'd enjoy it more if you would drop the troll and tried to contribute to the discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    No, they are not. American left/right doesn't match European. Fascists were like communists anti-liberal and anti-capitalism. They vied with communists for power. Mussolini was initially a socialist and while he broke from them, he continued to be influenced by Lenin:



    @ https://www.econlib.org/library/Colu...lsfascism.html
    That doesn't necessarily make facism more like socialism, it makes Lenin's third way more like facism. Even your article suggests: In short, Lenin’s revised Marxism culminated in “socialist-lite” policies that helped inspire Mussolini to craft his own Italian-style fascism with a right-wing socialist twist. Syndicalism is the inspiration for both facism and socialism albeit with different goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I'd enjoy it more if you would drop the troll and tried to contribute to the discussion.
    You mean like this:

    http://thepoliticalforums.com/thread...=1#post2645208

    Seriously, you're one of the biggest trolls on the forum. You try to hook people into endless debates about nothing. You just make $#@! up, disregard supporting evidence, cite $#@! that is so obscure and just keep going around and around because you don't have anything else more productive to do. Then when someone uses a page from your playbook on you you cry troll. That's the best part.

    Nah - I did contribute, by debunking some of the false assumptions in this topic. If your ego is too shallow for that, that's too bad. And no, debating that the sky is blue when someone says it's polka dot is kind of a waste of time, thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    That doesn't necessarily make facism more like socialism, it makes Lenin's third way more like facism. Even your article suggests: In short, Lenin’s revised Marxism culminated in “socialist-lite” policies that helped inspire Mussolini to craft his own Italian-style fascism with a right-wing socialist twist. Syndicalism is the inspiration for both facism and socialism albeit with different goals.
    It is rather telling how easily leftists made the ideological transition to fascism and vice versa.
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