Why welfare keeps poor people poor

[Collateral Damage]

It makes sense in terms of incentives. Welfare keeps you at a level where you get by. If you try to get ahead a little and start earning more, you lose welfare and can't get by. This is the basis of Basic Income where everyone gets a basic amount and you don't lose it if you make a little or a lot more.

Why would you think that Basic Income would act as an incentive to anything, and not just a continuation of the same old same old? If you are getting something for 'free', then why extend yourself to get any more than that?

[Peter1469]

One area of progress with this is the ACA. Before that many people lost medical for their kids by doing what we want them to do and working more or hard enough to get better jobs.

The ACA was hardly progress. It screwed up health care for many to help a few. We should have created a public option and left the majority alone.

[Peter1469]

Just wait until the conservative christians overturn Roe V Wade.
You ain't seen nothing yet.

The dems commit genocide to avoid welfare payments. That is Christian like.

[Peter1469]

Why would you think that Basic Income would act as an incentive to anything, and not just a continuation of the same old same old? If you are getting something for 'free', then why extend yourself to get any more than that?

A UBI would replace all social program payments (except veterans). That includes social security.

So if people wasted their money, and were not marketable, they would die young.

[Chris]

So..."basic income". .it would diminish the ambition to take risks , it would lower the desire to educate oneself to the max , it would average down those superior to make them closer to the genetically inferior (everyone gets a ribbon lol). It would increase the need for capital aka > units. In turn the > units would dilute existing currency aka inflation which creates an even greater demand for units ...taxes. Even the tooth fairy has to crunch the numbers. With less incentive to create, less incentive to take risks etc fewer tax revenues. Boom back to reality. Chris...you pm me your expertise and I cannot guarentee you anything but I will be willing to wager I can direct your talents into something to turn your current peers into your ball lickers. Money isn't hard to make. The hard part is actually believing and understanding that. If you arent queasy about stepping on a few heads to climb a ladder while in the same breath riding the correct coattails and making the ones riding your coattails useful you are on your way. Its not about doing it. It's about those in your proximity understanding you will do it if needed. You know how many awesome resumes handed to me by incredibly brilliant people were passed on to the top of the company food chain by me? ZERO. why would I create my own competition? Show me a loser. I'll be sure hes hired. When he flame out or I shove him out the door I get his leftover accounts. Know how many sales calls I made as a broker? Practically none. I was the king dik because I made sure of it. The rest were referrals.

No, actually, Basic Income, done right, universally, would increase risk-taking and increase the desire to improve oneself. It would free you up to try different things, from start a job to opening a business. Experiments by a private organization in Kenya, iirc, were successful.

[Chris]

Why would you think that Basic Income would act as an incentive to anything, and not just a continuation of the same old same old? If you are getting something for 'free', then why extend yourself to get any more than that?

Certainly, it would not incentivize all people but experiments by a private organization in Kenya demonstrate it does work for many by simply taking the risk of losing welfare away.

Getting ahead is the great game of capitalism.

OK, now I say that with the caveat it has to be done right. Must be universal and it must replace all other forms of welfare. What I read from the conservative Charles Murray impresses me: A guaranteed income for every American. It beats the current welfare system.

Would it be done right? By the government? Probably not.

[Tahuyaman]

Just wait until the conservative christians overturn Roe V Wade.
You ain't seen nothing yet.

Then the abortion issue would go to the states. Nothing wrong with that.

[Tahuyaman]

Why welfare keeps poor people poor

Welfare provides just enough for the dependent class to eke by and that disincentivises their need for self improvement. Thus keeping them in their place, a state of dependency. That's exactly where liberal politicians want them.

[Chris]

Why welfare keeps poor people poor

Welfare provides just enough for the dependent class to eke by and that disincentivises their need for self improvement. Thus keeping them in their place, a state of dependency. That's exactly where liberal politicians want them.

The new slavery.

[Tahuyaman]

The new slavery.

In a way, that is true. Welfare is similar to a plantation in that it's intended to keep certain people in their place. I understand why politicians support welfare, but I can't figure out why liberal citizens who aren't politicians support it.

Also, the political class has built the attitude that these people mired in the dependent class are morally entitled to live off the generosity of government i.e. the taxpayer and any opposition to it is grounded in either racism or elitism