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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    The apologists and corporate gun trolls will deflect and make this about everything except what it is. The conservative American-Thinker has a similar apology for evil or excuse for mass shootings. They even claim they are part of the American way. Bizarre. Labels too often stand in for thought and even reality. Label someone and the easily led follow or believe. Some interesting stuff below and I will post my Hate/Evil OP too.


    'Op-Ed: We have studied every mass shooting since 1966. Here’s what we’ve learned about the shooters'

    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/stor...-shooters-data

    "Fourth, the shooters all had the means to carry out their plans. Once someone decides life is no longer worth living and that murdering others would be a proper revenge, only means and opportunity stand in the way of another mass shooting. Is an appropriate shooting site accessible? Can the would-be shooter obtain firearms? In 80% of school shootings, perpetrators got their weapons from family members, according to our data. Workplace shooters tended to use handguns they legally owned. Other public shooters were more likely to acquire them illegally."

    The shooters

    "The shooter is almost always male. Of the past 129 mass shootings in the United States, all but three have been men. The shooter is socially alienated, and he can’t get laid. Every time you scratch the surface of the latest mass killing, in a movie theatre, a school, the streets of Paris or an abortion clinic, you find the weaponised loser. From Jihadi John of ISIS to Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris at Columbine, these men are invariably stuck in the emotional life of an adolescent. They always struggle with self-esteem – especially regarding women – and sometimes they give up entirely on the possibility of amorous fulfilment. There are different levels of tactical coordination, different ostensible grievances and different access to firearms, but the psyche beneath is invariably the same."

    https://aeon.co/essays/humiliation-a...mass-shootings

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/classm...-would-do-this


    "In 1991, Warren E. Burger, the conservative chief justice of the Supreme Court, was interviewed on the MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour about the meaning of the Second Amendment's "right to keep and bear arms." Burger answered that the Second Amendment "has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud--I repeat the word 'fraud'--on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." In a speech in 1992, Burger declared that "the Second Amendment doesn't guarantee the right to have firearms at all. "In his view, the purpose of the Second Amendment was "to ensure that the 'state armies'--'the militia'--would be maintained for the defense of the state."
    And thankfully, Burger's interpretation has been discarded in various rulings. I get it though. Progressives like yourself want only government groups to have guns. The cognitive dissonance needed to prefer this while acknowledging police brutality is mind boggling.

    Access to guns isn't the issue. If it was, then we would have had as many shootings in the 50s and 60s as we do now. Gun laws were pretty minimal in most areas back then, and yet, we rarely ever had mass shootings.

    It's about mental health.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    So far, between the two mass shootings we've heard about over the weekend here in the U.S., we've heard much less about the Dayton, Ohio shooter, Connor Betts, because that one doesn't fit the narrative. It turns out that Betts was a member of a "pornogrind" metal band that released albums with titles like "6 Ways of Female Butchery", "Preteen Daughter Pu$$y Slaughter", "Live Snuff Porn Vol. 1", and "Tilt Bench for Gynecology or Total Rape". He had also twice been suspended from high school for hit lists he had made, including a "kill list" for boys and a "rape list" for girls.

    Here's the really fun part though: in addition to being a raging misogynist who appears to have been motivated to kill by hatred of women, he was ALSO a self-described anti-fascist online activist who railed against Nazis and, yes, gun violence! (i.e. He was an Antifa type.) Yerrrrrp!!!

    (Link)

    I guess I would mean to highlight here that these shootings, and particularly misogynistic attitudes, are hardly exclusive to the political right wing.

    (Also, here's another thread @CCitizen, our resident men's activist who is always complaining about hostile rhetoric directed toward men, won't respond to. The difference being that this individual engaged in, you know, actual violence! I wonder why MRAs curiously avoid discussing male violence, especially when it's motivated by hatred of women. Maybe because it doesn't fit their narrative about how "misandry" is the greatest problem facing America either!)
    While I'm not exactly a feminist, I do appreciate that you've pointed out how parts of the left are just as misogynist as parts of the right.

    Antifa's revulsion to Nazism seems to be a matter of overcompensation. It's like they realize their penchant for violence is the same as that of Nazis, so they think calling everyone else Nazis and attacking them will somehow make up for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I seriously question why these mass shooters have to be pigeon-holed into agendas.
    Perhaps I should say I seriously question how these mass shooters can be pigeon-holed into any ideology.

    Consider the following:



    OK, so what can we say about these mass shooters, what can we generalize about them?

    Nothing at all.

    The population of mass shooters is statistically insignificant and as such you can't take these singletons and generalize that they represent anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Perhaps I should say I seriously question how these mass shooters can be pigeon-holed into any ideology.

    Consider the following:



    OK, so what can we say about these mass shooters, what can we generalize about them?

    Nothing at all.

    The population of mass shooters is statistically insignificant and as such you can't take these singletons and generalize that they represent anything.

    The only thing you do when you try is expose your own agenda and ideology.
    While I agree with your post overall, I now see why Lummy made his thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rationalist View Post
    While I agree with your post overall, I now see why Lummy made his thread.
    Sure, his is reactionary to liberal generalizations it's mainly whites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rationalist View Post
    While I agree with your post overall, I now see why Lummy made his thread.
    sorry, but Polly started this thread.
    For waltky: http://quakes.globalincidentmap.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    sorry, but Polly started this thread.
    Lummy has a thread on race of mass shooters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    sorry, but Polly started this thread.
    I was referring to the thread in Latest Happenings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    The apologists and corporate gun trolls will deflect and make this about everything except what it is. The conservative American-Thinker has a similar apology for evil or excuse for mass shootings. They even claim they are part of the American way. Bizarre. Labels too often stand in for thought and even reality. Label someone and the easily led follow or believe. Some interesting stuff below and I will post my Hate/Evil OP too...
    That's basically nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    The apologists and corporate gun trolls will deflect and make this about everything except what it is. The conservative American-Thinker has a similar apology for evil or excuse for mass shootings. They even claim they are part of the American way. Bizarre. Labels too often stand in for thought and even reality. Label someone and the easily led follow or believe. Some interesting stuff below and I will post my Hate/Evil OP too.


    'Op-Ed: We have studied every mass shooting since 1966. Here’s what we’ve learned about the shooters'

    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/stor...-shooters-data

    "Fourth, the shooters all had the means to carry out their plans. Once someone decides life is no longer worth living and that murdering others would be a proper revenge, only means and opportunity stand in the way of another mass shooting. Is an appropriate shooting site accessible? Can the would-be shooter obtain firearms? In 80% of school shootings, perpetrators got their weapons from family members, according to our data. Workplace shooters tended to use handguns they legally owned. Other public shooters were more likely to acquire them illegally."

    The shooters

    "The shooter is almost always male. Of the past 129 mass shootings in the United States, all but three have been men. The shooter is socially alienated, and he can’t get laid. Every time you scratch the surface of the latest mass killing, in a movie theatre, a school, the streets of Paris or an abortion clinic, you find the weaponised loser. From Jihadi John of ISIS to Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris at Columbine, these men are invariably stuck in the emotional life of an adolescent. They always struggle with self-esteem – especially regarding women – and sometimes they give up entirely on the possibility of amorous fulfilment. There are different levels of tactical coordination, different ostensible grievances and different access to firearms, but the psyche beneath is invariably the same."

    https://aeon.co/essays/humiliation-a...mass-shootings

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/classm...-would-do-this


    "In 1991, Warren E. Burger, the conservative chief justice of the Supreme Court, was interviewed on the MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour about the meaning of the Second Amendment's "right to keep and bear arms." Burger answered that the Second Amendment "has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud--I repeat the word 'fraud'--on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." In a speech in 1992, Burger declared that "the Second Amendment doesn't guarantee the right to have firearms at all. "In his view, the purpose of the Second Amendment was "to ensure that the 'state armies'--'the militia'--would be maintained for the defense of the state."
    The apologists and corporate gun trolls will deflect and make this about everything except what it is. The conservative American-Thinker has a similar apology for evil or excuse for mass shootings. They even claim they are part of the American way. Bizarre. Labels too often stand in for thought and even reality. Label someone and the easily led follow or believe. Some interesting stuff below and I will post my Hate/Evil OP too.
    This is what I quoted because your statement is erroneous. No one in here is an apologist for any shooter.
    I follow no one about my BoR, which includes my 2nd A right. Those Rights are Individual in nature and design. I am not a member of the NRA, so the corporatists have no hold or sway over me.
    I served in 'Nam. I saw the absolute worst that Man is capable of and determine that I would never be unarmed again.
    Your approach is collective in definition. That is herd mentality.
    For waltky: http://quakes.globalincidentmap.com/
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    - Thucydides

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    Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum

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