The Dayton Shooter: Pornogrind Musician and Leftist

[CCitizen]

Also, here's another thread @CCitizen, our resident men's activist who is always complaining about hostile rhetoric directed toward men, won't respond to. The difference being that this individual engaged in, you know, actual violence! I wonder why MRAs curiously avoid discussing male violence, especially when it's motivated by hatred of women. Maybe because it doesn't fit their narrative about how "misandry" is the greatest problem facing America either!

Being mentioned I must respond.

1) Constant verbal abuse and psychological torture of tens of millions of men by EAP (abbreviation for Mainstream Media) does enormous damage to all men living in Modern Western World.

2) The vast majority of men are not violent felons, so this is not our problem. Being lumped together with violent men is. Being constantly slandered by EAP is every man's problem.

3) As I have mentioned on Reddit,

• Brittany Pilkington, 24, charged with three counts of aggravated murder in deaths of her three sons, who were killed over 13-month period. She was worried her sons would eventually become abusive toward women.
  
• Aileen Wuornos -- an outspoken activist against Rape Culture. Widely praised by Mainstream Media for killing 7 men.
  
• Donna Hylton -- an important advocate for women prisoners. A convicted murderer and kidnapper who was part of a seven-person gang that abducted, tortured and killed a 62-year-old white man.
  
• "In the USA, the annual rate of maternal filicide is on average 256 cases per year." We do not know how many of these cases are motivated by feminism.

[CCitizen]

Of course men have 9 times higher crime rate then women. Child abuse is an exception.

Likewise, as racists point out, some minorities have higher crime rates.

But Civil Rights Movement never had a goal of minorities " being better" so they would not be hated. Likewise Men's Rights stands for Equal Laws and Equal Rules.

[IMPress Polly]

Perhaps I should say I seriously question how these mass shooters can be pigeon-holed into any ideology.

Consider the following:



OK, so what can we say about these mass shooters, what can we generalize about them?

Nothing at all.

The population of mass shooters is statistically insignificant and as such you can't take these singletons and generalize that they represent anything.

The only thing you do when you try is expose your own agenda and ideology.

I don't know about "nothing at all". I mean I don't know about you, but I noticed that, out of the highlighted 98 mass shooters, 95 are male.

[Admiral Ackbar]

I don't understand how these guys cant get women. Given the number of $#@!s out there in bars and on line. It is like shooting fishing in a barrel. Just put in about 10 minutes of effort and you can bag one.

Not difficult

[DGUtley]

Someone sent this to me and said it was in a letter to the editor:

Our boys and young men are in trouble. Considering this weekend’s events there will be calls for gun control and criticism heaped upon politicians for their rhetoric. While this analysis is satisfying and nice for cable news sound bites, neither has anything to do what is really at issue.

Gun control won’t work, The El Paso shooter was a Trump supporter and in Dayton a fan of Elizabeth Warren.

It would be nice if the solutions were as easy as passing a feel-good gun ban or having politicians be nicer to each other. The reality is there is heavy lifting to be done and it is going to take a generation. Our society has devalued, ignored and belittled the development needs of our young men. They are taught they have privilege by our universities, and are often denied due process there. Correspondingly they are opting out of college. Fathers on TV are portrayed as either buffoons or distant and violent figures. Mentoring networks at school and the work place are not focused on nor designed for young men.

Stir into this pot, the increasing rate of anti-depressant use and the ironic isolation of the social media age, and you are left with a tragic number of disaffected boys and men.

I encourage everyone to take time to pay attention to and mentor our young men and boys. Talk to your boys and your neighbor’s boys. Get to know them and encourage them. They need it.

[Chris]

I don't know about "nothing at all". I mean I don't know about you, but I noticed that, out of the highlighted 98 mass shooters, 95 are male.

OK, so now explain how you generalize from such a small population? Explain the logic, if any. Take into consideration that you're looking at 98 individuals in a total population of over 327 million. There's no significance there.

[donttread]

So far, between the two mass shootings we've heard about over the weekend here in the U.S., we've heard much less about the Dayton, Ohio shooter, Connor Betts, because that one doesn't fit the narrative. It turns out that Betts was a member of a "pornogrind" metal band that released albums with titles like "6 Ways of Female Butchery", "Preteen Daughter Pu$$y Slaughter", "Live Snuff Porn Vol. 1", and "Tilt Bench for Gynecology or Total Rape". He had also twice been suspended from high school for hit lists he had made, including a "kill list" for boys and a "rape list" for girls.

Here's the really fun part though: in addition to being a raging misogynist who appears to have been motivated to kill by hatred of women, he was ALSO a self-described anti-fascist online activist who railed against Nazis and, yes, gun violence! (i.e. He was an Antifa type.) Yerrrrrp!!!

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I guess I would mean to highlight here that these shootings, and particularly misogynistic attitudes, are hardly exclusive to the political right wing.

(Also, here's another thread @CCitizen, our resident men's activist who is always complaining about hostile rhetoric directed toward men, won't respond to. The difference being that this individual engaged in, you know, actual violence! I wonder why MRAs curiously avoid discussing male violence, especially when it's motivated by hatred of women. Maybe because it doesn't fit their narrative about how "misandry" is the greatest problem facing America either!)

Is anybody looking into how and why we farm so many, super sick people like this? i mean in the overall sense and why there seem to be so many more these days and also the effect of media recognition on these actions?
Polly nobody here condones that kind of music or attitudes towards women,. I personally see women as people and most of the women I know see me as a people too.
CC is right, there is open hatred and contempt for men on some fronts as well as blatant sexist discrimination in the entire justice system and within ANY assist for domestic violence.There are obvious pockets of unspeakable hatred for women, like this animal's band. But it is likely most feminist do not hate men and most men do not condone violence towards women.

[Mister D]

OK, so now explain how you generalize from such a small population? Explain the logic, if any. Take into consideration that you're looking at 98 individuals in a total population of over 327 million. There's no significance there.

You can generalize that the male of our species is responsible for the overwhelming majority of violence whether legitimate or not but that's not a particularly interesting or meaningful observation. Moreover, the number of males who have perpetrated this sort of indiscriminate and irrational violence is beyond insignificant.

[Chris]

You can generalize that the male of our species is responsible for the overwhelming majority of violence whether legitimate or not but that's not a particularly interesting or meaningful observation. Moreover, the number of males who have perpetrated this sort of indiscriminate and irrational violence is beyond insignificant.

Agree, taking a broader population, that's certainly true. But the mass shooter cohort is too insignificant.

[CCitizen]

You can generalize that the male of our species is responsible for the overwhelming majority of violence whether legitimate or not but that's not a particularly interesting or meaningful observation. Moreover, the number of males who have perpetrated this sort of indiscriminate and irrational violence is beyond insignificant.

I agree 100%. Most severe violence except physical abuse of children is committed by men.

-- Men commit 89% murder
-- Men commit 95% robberies
-- Men commit most stranger assault
-- Men commit 99% of rape and sexual assault
-- Men are mostly responsible for wars -- Nazi atrocities were horrible, US atrocities in bombing Japan, North Korea, Southeast Asia

But 90% of men are not guilty of anything aforementioned! The only thing most men of men are guilty of is meekly accepting being scapegoated for crimes of 10% of men.

Women dominate some forms of aggression
-- child physical abuse
-- VERBAL AGGRESSION!
-- nonreciprocal IPV