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    The Dayton Shooter: Pornogrind Musician and Leftist

    So far, between the two mass shootings we've heard about over the weekend here in the U.S., we've heard much less about the Dayton, Ohio shooter, Connor Betts, because that one doesn't fit the narrative. It turns out that Betts was a member of a "pornogrind" metal band that released albums with titles like "6 Ways of Female Butchery", "Preteen Daughter Pu$$y Slaughter", "Live Snuff Porn Vol. 1", and "Tilt Bench for Gynecology or Total Rape". He had also twice been suspended from high school for hit lists he had made, including a "kill list" for boys and a "rape list" for girls.

    Here's the really fun part though: in addition to being a raging misogynist who appears to have been motivated to kill by hatred of women, he was ALSO a self-described anti-fascist online activist who railed against Nazis and, yes, gun violence! (i.e. He was an Antifa type.) Yerrrrrp!!!

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    I guess I would mean to highlight here that these shootings, and particularly misogynistic attitudes, are hardly exclusive to the political right wing.

    (Also, here's another thread @CCitizen, our resident men's activist who is always complaining about hostile rhetoric directed toward men, won't respond to. The difference being that this individual engaged in, you know, actual violence! I wonder why MRAs curiously avoid discussing male violence, especially when it's motivated by hatred of women. Maybe because it doesn't fit their narrative about how "misandry" is the greatest problem facing America either!)
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    The apologists and corporate gun trolls will deflect and make this about everything except what it is. The conservative American-Thinker has a similar apology for evil or excuse for mass shootings. They even claim they are part of the American way. Bizarre. Labels too often stand in for thought and even reality. Label someone and the easily led follow or believe. Some interesting stuff below and I will post my Hate/Evil OP too.


    'Op-Ed: We have studied every mass shooting since 1966. Here’s what we’ve learned about the shooters'

    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/stor...-shooters-data

    "Fourth, the shooters all had the means to carry out their plans. Once someone decides life is no longer worth living and that murdering others would be a proper revenge, only means and opportunity stand in the way of another mass shooting. Is an appropriate shooting site accessible? Can the would-be shooter obtain firearms? In 80% of school shootings, perpetrators got their weapons from family members, according to our data. Workplace shooters tended to use handguns they legally owned. Other public shooters were more likely to acquire them illegally."

    The shooters

    "The shooter is almost always male. Of the past 129 mass shootings in the United States, all but three have been men. The shooter is socially alienated, and he can’t get laid. Every time you scratch the surface of the latest mass killing, in a movie theatre, a school, the streets of Paris or an abortion clinic, you find the weaponised loser. From Jihadi John of ISIS to Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris at Columbine, these men are invariably stuck in the emotional life of an adolescent. They always struggle with self-esteem – especially regarding women – and sometimes they give up entirely on the possibility of amorous fulfilment. There are different levels of tactical coordination, different ostensible grievances and different access to firearms, but the psyche beneath is invariably the same."

    https://aeon.co/essays/humiliation-a...mass-shootings

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/classm...-would-do-this


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    For waltky: http://quakes.globalincidentmap.com/
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    midcan5 wrote:
    The apologists and corporate gun trolls will deflect and make this about everything except what it is. The conservative American-Thinker has a similar apology for evil or excuse for mass shootings. They even claim they are part of the American way. Bizarre. Labels too often stand in for thought and even reality. Label someone and the easily led follow or believe. Some interesting stuff below and I will post my Hate/Evil OP too.
    Wait, are you seriously suggesting that I, of all people, am a "corporate gun troll" and an "apologist" for mass shootings?

    I think everyone here knows that I'm a supporter of gun control. The nation has just been awash in talk of the white racist motives of the El Paso shooter of late, so I thought I'd chip in the apparent motives of the Dayton shooter since they're a lot less talked about.

    Oh yes, ritalin is definitely the cause of mass shootings, not hate + guns. It all makes perfect sense now!!

    Hey, I was on ritalin for most of my grade school years. I cut myself off of it in my senior year because it was bull$#@!. And also, I'm a depressed gun owner. Why haven't I killed anyone??

    It's hate + guns. I've lacked one of those key ingredients.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Wait, are you seriously suggesting that I, of all people, am a "corporate gun troll" and an "apologist" for mass shootings?

    I think everyone here knows that I'm a supporter of gun control. The nation has just been awash in talk of the motives of the El Paso shooter of late, so I thought I'd chip in the motives of the Dayton shooter since they're a lot less talked about.
    My post #3 might shed some light on your quest for the root cause
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    My post #3 might shed some light on your quest for the root cause
    I responded already in an edit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Wait, are you seriously suggesting that I, of all people, am a "corporate gun troll" and an "apologist" for mass shootings?

    I think everyone here knows that I'm a supporter of gun control. The nation has just been awash in talk of the white racist motives of the El Paso shooter of late, so I thought I'd chip in the apparent motives of the Dayton shooter since they're a lot less talked about.



    Oh yes, ritalin is definitely the cause of mass shootings, not hate + guns. It all makes perfect sense now!!

    Hey, I was on ritalin for most of my grade school years. I cut myself off of it in my senior year because it was bull$#@!. And also, I'm a depressed gun owner. Why haven't I killed anyone??

    It's hate + guns. I've lacked one of those key ingredients.
    I merely suggested one cause. Ritalin affect people differently. But imagine just what it does to your brain, then go off of it cold turkey. Everyone's brain is wired differently.
    What I alluded to what that prior to the introduction of Ritalin into our schools, approx. 1982, gun shootings were almost zero
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Oh yes, ritalin is definitely the cause of mass shootings, not hate + guns. It all makes perfect sense now!!
    http://thepoliticalforums.com/thread...=1#post2659067

    Polly, do you ever feel guilt when someone proves you wrong and terribly misguided?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lummy View Post
    http://thepoliticalforums.com/thread...=1#post2659067

    Polly, do you ever feel guilt when someone proves you wrong and terribly misguided?
    She's not wrong. There are many causes and reasons people go off the rails. Some have to do with family environment. some have to do with life in general.
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    I seriously question why these mass shooters have to be pigeon-holed into agendas.
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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