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    Dems or Reps- which party has the best plan to fix social security?

    Dems or Reps- which party has the best plan to fix social security?

    The author outlines the positives and negatives of both the Dem and Rep plans to fix social security. In short, the dem plan is a short term fix that will not fix the structural problems. The rep plan is a long term fix that will take decades to get the system back into balance. The author suggests a combination of the two.

    And no, ending it isn't in the article as a suggestion.

    Ready or not, Social Security is inching closer to the biggest challenge it's faced since its inception. According to the latest Social Security Board of Trustees report, the program that currently pays benefits to more than 63 million people a month, and to which 62% of retired workers lean on for at least half of their monthly payout, is set to completely exhaust its nearly $2.9 trillion in asset reserves by 2035.

    Now, there is good news – namely, that the Social Security program isn't going bankrupt, even if it somehow burns through every last cent of its asset reserves. The program has two recurring sources of revenue – the 12.4% payroll tax on earned income of up to $132,900 (as of 2019) and the taxation of Social Security benefits – which ensure that it cannot go bankrupt.


    The bad news is that the current payout schedule isn't sustainable. The Trustees have estimated a shortfall of $13.9 trillion between 2035 and 2093, assuming the current payout schedule were to continue. If and when the program's asset reserves are depleted, benefit cuts of up to 23% may be passed along to retired workers. That's a problem, considering how many seniors are currently reliant on Social Security to make ends meet.

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    The Democratic proposal: Raise revenue by lifting or eliminating the payroll tax cap

    Generally speaking, there are two ways to tackle a funding issue in Washington: Raise additional revenue or cut costs. The Democrat approach favors the idea of raising additional revenue through taxation. This would specifically be done by increasing or eliminating the payroll tax cap.


    As noted, all earned income (wages and salary but not investment income) between $0.01 and $132,900 is taxed at the 12.4% rate in 2019, although most workers split this tax liability with their employer. Meanwhile, any earned income over $132,900 is exempt from the payroll tax.


    Back in 1983, a little over $300 billion in earned income escaped the payroll tax by being above the tax cap. However, by 2016, $1.2 trillion in earnings were exempted from the payroll tax. Thus, while more than 90% of workers pay this tax on every dollar they earn, the rich may have some, or most, of their earned income exempted. We've also seen more income, as a percentage of total earned income in the U.S., be exempted over the past couple of decades.
    One possible solution offered by Democrats is to create a doughnut hole between $132,900 – a figure that adjusts in step with the National Average Wage Index each year – and, say, $250,000 or $400,000, where earned income would be exempted. Then, above $250,000 or $400,000, the 12.4% payroll tax would once again kick in. Since the lower figure would be tied to wage inflation, eventually all income would become taxable many decades down the line.


    The other solution would be to eliminate the payroll tax cap entirely, thereby making all earned income immediately taxable.
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    The Republican proposal: Cut expenditures by gradually increasing the full retirement age

    But there's another view on how to fix the program. According to Republicans, the smartest solution would be to gradually adjust the full retirement age upward from a peak of 67 to as high as age 70.


    Your full retirement age is the age at which you become eligible to receive 100% of your monthly payout, as determined by your birth year. Anyone born in or after 1960 will have to wait until age 67 to receive their full payout (100%).



    Here's the problem: Since the program was incepted in 1935, and through 2022, which is when the full retirement age (also known as "normal retirement age") will peak at age 67, the full retirement age will have increased by just two years – from age 65 to 67. Yet, longevity has grown at a much faster pace, which has allowed more and more seniors to lean on Social Security for decades, rather than years, as the program was initially intended.


    The solution? According to various Republican proposals, the idea would be to gradually raise the full retirement age to 70. In doing so, current retirees, and folks who are very near retirement, would see no impact to their lifetime payouts. However, future generations of retirees (e.g., millennials) would have to either wait longer to receive their full monthly benefit check or accept a steeper monthly reduction to their payout if claiming early. No matter what this future generation of retirees chooses to do, their lifetime payouts from the program would be reduced, thereby saving Social Security money.



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    The longer you make people work the less jobs for the young but it doesnt appear the millenial generation wants to work, they want socialized everything for free. Cant blame them that was instilled in them from leftist educators, who would turn down everything for free without ever having to grind it out 40 to 100 hrs a week. INSTANT PROSPERITY provided by someone else

    There has to be tiered approach to fixing social security, since employers have stopped paying for pensions its not unreasonable to have them pay more into social security.
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    I am against eliminating the cap on income for SS without a corresponding increase in benefits (which isn't going to happen). It's basically theft against the higher wager earners, though I fully admit it's going to happen. It'll make the masses feel good to "tax the rich". I am also against raising the age, though I think that will also happen.

    I think that we should let people opt out -- Let Mordor keep the employer's share to help fund the current enrollees and require the employee's share to be put into a 401K. I also think that all public employees should be forced onto SS. It is a crime that those that mismanaged this thing aren't bound by their mismanagement.
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    The retirement age needs to be increased. Look at the millions of illegal aliens working, but not paying into the system.

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    Employers need to pay a higher percentage since they dont participate in pensions an 401ks any longer.

    Paul Ryan the slimeball spent his entire career trying to get rid of Medicare and Social Security and he retired with his ass in his hands. Either party that eliminated SS or Medicare will cease to exist for at least 4 election cycles
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    Employers need to pay a higher percentage since they dont participate in pensions an 401ks any longer.

    Paul Ryan the slimeball spent his entire career trying to get rid of Medicare and Social Security and he retired with his ass in his hands. Either party that eliminated SS or Medicare will cease to exist for at least 4 election cycles
    Actually most do participate in 401K's with matching funds based on a formula.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Actually most do participate in 401K's with matching funds based on a formula.
    50% of working Americans have access to a 401(k)

    Of that 50%, 11% have some type of matching funds.

    5.5% isn't most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    50% of working Americans have access to a 401(k). Of that 50%, 11% have some type of matching funds. 5.5% isn't most.
    Only 11%? I’d have thought it was higher. Do you have a link for the 11%? Thx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    The longer you make people work the less jobs for the young but it doesnt appear the millenial generation wants to work, they want socialized everything for free. Cant blame them that was instilled in them from leftist educators, who would turn down everything for free without ever having to grind it out 40 to 100 hrs a week. INSTANT PROSPERITY provided by someone else

    There has to be tiered approach to fixing social security, since employers have stopped paying for pensions its not unreasonable to have them pay more into social security.
    Per the OP, the GOP plan does draw out the age to collect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    I am against eliminating the cap on income for SS without a corresponding increase in benefits (which isn't going to happen). It's basically theft against the higher wager earners, though I fully admit it's going to happen. It'll make the masses feel good to "tax the rich". I am also against raising the age, though I think that will also happen.

    I think that we should let people opt out -- Let Mordor keep the employer's share to help fund the current enrollees and require the employee's share to be put into a 401K. I also think that all public employees should be forced onto SS. It is a crime that those that mismanaged this thing aren't bound by their mismanagement.
    If they eliminate the cap, they turn an earned benefit into a welfare program. I posted a thread on that about a month ago.
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