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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    It is strange that some can't seem to understand the topic.

    Actually, no, it's not. We live in the world as it is now and share today's views and easily fall prey to an anachronistic projection of today onto the premodern world.
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    (chuckle)

    Define The Liberal Project".
    What came out of the Enlightenment promoting individualism and equality, capitalism and democracy. That should easily be gleaned from the OP and discussion, Chuckles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris View Post
    you're correct. it has nothing to do with god, no one claimed it did. The topic is our relationships with god, family and community and how we've lost that.
    the topic is our relationships with god



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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    What came out of the Enlightenment promoting individualism and equality, capitalism and democracy. That should easily be gleaned from the OP and discussion, Chuckles.
    Not a definition. "The Liberal Project"

    https://prospect.org/article/liberal-project-now-0

    Try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    You're correct. It has nothing to do with God, no one claimed it did. The topic is our relationships with God, family and community and how we've lost that.
    I know what the thesis is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    How we got here has been a long process of the liberal project. I'm not sure there's a solution. You can't go back, you can't undo the damage.

    We Killed God, Family, And Community And Now Its Killing Us
    We all need to belong somewhere. Somewhere besides online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    We all need to belong somewhere. Somewhere besides online.
    Well that's very true. And I think that's it precisely, we all need a place to belong and that was once defined mainly by our relationships with God, family and community, and is now defined abstractly by the state and social media and online shopping in a cybercommunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    You can't kill something that doesn't exist. God was an invention by primitive man, to explain stuff he didn't understand - like lightening and thunder.

    No one has killed my family (though there are times I might want to ) and I still have a mum and dad who look after me (whether I need that or not).

    Dunno about community - my community is mainly my school and my friends, and they are fine.

    All modern societies are based on the rule of law (whether we agree with all those laws or not) and any society based on religious laws is in big trouble. Have a look at places like Saudi Arabia and Iran if you want to see what I mean.

    What some people don't like about modern, liberal societies - like the USA, the UK, Australia, Canada, and most European societies - is that they aren't as free to be total $#@!s to people that don't think like them, or people they don't like, or people they consider inferior to them (like brown people), as they were in the 'good old days'.
    I think they are talking about these things as cornerstones of society. The concept of God can do great or terrible things regardless of it's reality. The civic dedication to a community to where your town or school is important too you.
    Basically it's about belonging, taking pride in, that sort of thing. It can be a positive powerful force. A connectedness.

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