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    Quote Originally Posted by texan View Post
    It honestly costs him nothing. You and I both know the Senate will provide the cover. He can stand on a debate stage and say he was for common sense changes. Not saying he isn’t sincere but it’s smart.

    I get in battle mode whenever i hear that word "common sense" and "gun safety" applied to guns.
    They have no idea what they are even talking about.
    It is just another ploy and buzz word they use because they want them all banned and will never stop until it happens.
    This is why I will never compromise with them, because they will never compromise with me.

    They have no common sense.

    I provide this forum with the following as proof.
    What is wrong with this picture, and how can you assume the makers of it have any common sense if they are this dumb about their subject?
    They have no knowledge of their subject at all. Not even the basics.
    Yet they want to dictate to me about banning guns based on technical aspects of those same guns?
    They have no idea what they are talking about.
    They don't even know the basics.
    This poster proves it.

    If you would politely like to know the answer, my PM is open to you and I will provide it for you.

    dumb poster.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Someone needs to tell that to Trump. WTF is "expedited" due process? And what's wrong with regular due process? Where does the constitution give the federal government the authority to spend money on promoting red flag laws?
    I have no idea what expedited due process is. Typically, due process is anything but expedited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Trump has voiced his support for "intelligent" background checks and "red flag" laws that allow government authorities to forcefully take away your guns without due process.

    Several Republicans in the congress are on board with this authoritarian gun control agenda.

    Once again, Trump is blatantly violating assurances he made about protecting the second amendment. And once again, his spineless supporters are looking the other way or offering meek objections that belie their raging hypocrisy.

    It seems there is no limit to the lies and betrayals Trump is allowed to commit. Donald Trump has basically turned his supporters into Democrats.
    Red flag laws are unamerican reactionary crap. Like interning the Japanese during WW 2. Just panic and politics with no Constitutional support. Once again the average shooting occurs between urban felons who probably do not meet the definition of seriously mentally ill AND cannot legally possess the gun they used under CURRENT law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pickle View Post
    We don't have background checks?





    No where. But these red flag laws are State laws that are unconstitutional. Don't see that?
    We have background checks in some circumstances but there are, what some call, loopholes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenjaminO View Post
    We have background checks in some circumstances but there are, what some call, loopholes.
    Move to a State where those loopholes have been closed.
    I find your lack of faith...disturbing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retirednsmilin308 View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Red flag laws are unamerican reactionary crap. Like interning the Japanese during WW 2. Just panic and politics with no Constitutional support. Once again the average shooting occurs between urban felons who probably do not meet the definition of seriously mentally ill AND cannot legally possess the gun they used under CURRENT law.
    Red flag laws are far, far worse than that. They are neoNazi and will eventually allow neighbors to turn in neighbors to authorities for purely political reasons or simply because they don't like them.

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    When it comes to so-called "red flag laws", the devil is in the details. How closely should agents of the State monitor things like online activity, medical or mental health treatment, interactions with the police that do not involve arrests or convictions, etc., and for what? Will protections be built into such laws that would preclude false, unfair or inaccurate reporting of a "red flag" by a disgruntled ex or just an obsessed busybody? Would the law allow the authorities to take away my guns because I'm prescribed a benzo to help me sleep or because I see a counselor to help me through the death of a family member? If I just "Like" someone else's reportable/actionable comment on social media, is that enough to put me on the "no sell" list or even have any firearms I currently own taken away? In assessing the reasonableness, let alone the Constitutionality of any such legislation, these are the sorts of questions that need to be asked - and answered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    When it comes to so-called "red flag laws", the devil is in the details. How closely should agents of the State monitor things like online activity, medical or mental health treatment, interactions with the police that do not involve arrests or convictions, etc., and for what? Will protections be built into such laws that would preclude false, unfair or inaccurate reporting of a "red flag" by a disgruntled ex or just an obsessed busybody? Would the law allow the authorities to take away my guns because I'm prescribed a benzo to help me sleep or because I see a counselor to help me through the death of a family member? If I just "Like" someone else's reportable/actionable comment on social media, is that enough to put me on the "no sell" list or even have any firearms I currently own taken away? In assessing the reasonableness, let alone the Constitutionality of any such legislation, these are the sorts of questions that need to be asked - and answered.
    Can you imagine the "red flags" raised by some of the busy bodies on here if everybody knew the real names of the posters here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pickle View Post
    Move to a State where those loopholes have been closed.
    It's interesting you would say that.
    DC has no loopholes.

    DC police chief...“Laws in Virginia can really impact gun violence in our city,” said Newsham. “Virginia is the leading source state for illegal guns into the District of Columbia,” so he’s still hopeful that some sort of significant change will eventually be implemented and “assist us in stopping the illegal flow of firearms into the District of Columbia.”

    https://wtop.com/dc/2019/07/dcs-poli...ring-new-cops/

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