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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Stretching this to why the inner cities are screwed is where you go wrong. It is an element, but it is not the proximate cause.
    It brought the drug trade into neighborhoods that were already both economically and socially unstable. Then the 'war on drugs' began to complete the circle of destruction.
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    Drug addiction is a medical problem, not a crime. It's time for government policy to reflect that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    That's the point of ending drug prohibition. By the way, the concept of a "recreational" drug is entirely arbitrary. All drugs can be used for recreational purposes.
    People do self-medicate, so I get your point, but for the most part people use drugs to somehow alter their moods, their reality or to relax or feel more energized. Recreational is simply an easy category for any drug that isn't medicinal, so to speak.
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    Gun control means using both hands to ensure a steady position...On a serious note...I really don't want mentally ill people to have guns...OK, leftists...line up and deposit your guns in the box on my front porch in an orderly manner...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    It brought the drug trade into neighborhoods that were already both economically and socially unstable. Then the 'war on drugs' began to complete the circle of destruction.
    True; but the welfare state had already destroyed the family unit so their were displaced males who needed something to do. Perhaps that was the CIA's plan all along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    People do self-medicate, so I get your point, but for the most part people use drugs to somehow alter their moods, their reality or to relax or feel more energized. Recreational is simply an easy category for any drug that isn't medicinal, so to speak.
    All drugs have "medicinal" properties. And often times, the distinction between "medicinal" and "recreational" is nonexistent. Scientifically speaking, such designations have little or no basis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    True; but the welfare state had already destroyed the family unit so their were displaced males who needed something to do. Perhaps that was the CIA's plan all along.
    There was a very good chance that there would be both an ample customer base of the depressed as well as those who desperately needed money. The aspect of welfare that destroyed the family unit was the rule that there could be no adult male living in the home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I didn't say they were more prone to abuse. I said drug prohibition needed to end. Two entirely different arguments. Because most of the gun crime in the US is related to the black market for drugs. Ending drug prohibition would go a long way to solving that problem, just like it did when we ended alcohol prohibition in 1933.
    "E" haven't we reminded you not to contribute fact and reason to the "drugs are the devil" argument? But since you have done so I must agree. Prohibition causes more death and destruction than it stops by a wide margin. But hey, big pharma and booze and tobacco are happy and the argument continues to serve as a destruction from the horrible fiscal mismanagement of our country, just as it has for decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    My response was to the idea that gangs have full auto guns. I never said they were not responsible for the bulk of shootings, but that they are primarily using hand guns. I read somewhere that only 18% of all recovered guns used in crimes were in the possession of their registered owner. That's not surprising since 500K guns are stolen every year. My issue is not keeping guns out of the hands of the law abiding, it's how to keep them out of the hands of the wrong people.
    I'm not the wrong person. Why do you think I have to have my right restricted?
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our freedom and our society and our morals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    You write poorly.
    I can edit my writing. I don't know what you can do with what you write.
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our freedom and our society and our morals.

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