Don’t retire early, buy a home, or be a lawyer if you want to be happy

[alexa]

My impression about lawyers is for the most part if they want to be successful or do their job well they cannot have a conscience or they at least have to be really good at compartmentalizing. Of course that also depends on the type of law they practice. Let's be real, lawyers are dealing with the worse segments or situations in our society.

How could they NOT be unhappy.

It also speaks to why many lawyers probably support Trump. Lawyers don't care whether people are good or bad, they just care about what's in it for them.......money. (grin)

No, they support him because of his fidelity to the Constitution and conservative principles.

Just ask one.

[Trish]

No, they support him because of his fidelity to the Constitution and conservative principles.

Just ask one.

Why, lawyers choose their words carefully so as not to answer a direct question. I don't find them to be very forthright or honest. It's not about the truth, it's about winning.

[pjohns]

It also speaks to why many lawyers probably support Trump. Lawyers don't care whether people are good or bad, they just care about what's in it for them.......money. (grin)

Some of us find Donald Trump to be arrogant, brash, egotistical, and amoral--and without any apparent effort, on his part, to hide these personality and character flaws, either--but we still like most of his policies. So we voted for him in 2016; and probably will do so again in 2020.

And that is not just the reaction of lawyers, either...

[The Xl]

Why, lawyers choose their words carefully so as not to answer a direct question. I don't find them to be very forthright or honest. It's not about the truth, it's about winning.

It's about winning and making the most money possible. It's a perversion of what justice and the justice system is supposed to be. And while they reap the benefits, this all wouldn't be possible without our corrupt state enabling and allowing it to happen. Lawyers should be few and far between, and their services should only be needed in times of extreme necessity. But the government has criminalized anything and everything, and the way trials actually play out is a joke that has nothing to do with guilt or innocence. In reality, if one is innocent, most of the time a lawyer shouldn't even be needed, as the burden is supposed to be on the state to prove guilt, but trials and American law don't play out like that. It's all about lying, semantics, appeals to emotion, personality, corruption, etc, things that have nothing to do with the actual substance of guilt or innocence.

[Trish]

Some of us find Donald Trump to be arrogant, brash, egotistical, and amoral--and without any apparent effort, on his part, to hide these personality and character flaws, either--but we still like most of his policies. So we voted for him in 2016; and probably will do so again in 2020.

And that is not just the reaction of lawyers, either...

Yes, I'm aware that lawyers are not the only immoral people in America. (wink)

[Trish]

It's about winning and making the most money possible. It's a perversion of what justice and the justice system is supposed to be. And while they reap the benefits, this all wouldn't be possible without our corrupt state enabling and allowing it to happen. Lawyers should be few and far between, and their services should only be needed in times of extreme necessity. But the government has criminalized anything and everything, and the way trials actually play out is a joke that has nothing to do with guilt or innocence. In reality, if one is innocent, most of the time a lawyer shouldn't even be needed, as the burden is supposed to be on the state to prove guilt, but trials and American law don't play out like that. It's all about lying, semantics, appeals to emotion, personality, corruption, etc, things that have nothing to do with the actual substance of guilt or innocence.

hear, hear!

It's a game to win. It has nothing to do with the Constitution or the rule of law. It's how to manipulate and twist the law to find loopholes for the purpose of winning.....not justice.

[DGUtley]

Well, you are all wrong. I don't know any lawyer that doesn't donate significant time doing pro bono work. Most bar associations strongly encourage it and most firms require it. Pro Bono means "for free". It is all about the rule of law for the good and ethical lawyers. Yes, yes, I know -- XL doesn't like the American Rule where everybody pays their own lawyer. In 32 years, I've had clients crying thanking me for helping them countless numbers of times, I've given away scores of hours, represented losing cases on principle and tried to do what's right. There's bad in every profession, but I won't make excuses for them.

Regardless, I won't convince any of you and you won't convince any of me. We'll toil away here doing the best we can for our clients within the bounds of ethics. I hope none of you ever need a lawyer.

[alexa]

Well, you are all wrong. I don't know any lawyer that doesn't donate significant time doing pro bono work. Most bar associations strongly encourage it and most firms require it. Pro Bono means "for free". It is all about the rule of law for the good and ethical lawyers. Yes, yes, I know -- XL doesn't like the American Rule where everybody pays their own lawyer. In 32 years, I've had clients crying thanking me for helping them countless numbers of times, I've given away scores of hours, represented losing cases on principle and tried to do what's right. There's bad in every profession, but I won't make excuses for them.

Regardless, I won't convince any of you and you won't convince any of me. We'll toil away here doing the best we can for our clients within the bounds of ethics. I hope none of you ever need a lawyer.

When the phone doesn't ring, you'll know it's me.

[MisterVeritis]

No, they support him because of his fidelity to the Constitution and conservative principles.

Just ask one.

You have stumbled over the truth. Amazing.

[MisterVeritis]

Yes, I'm aware that lawyers are not the only immoral people in America. (wink)

Would you be surprised to discover many of us believe government workers are in the category you dislike? I often wondered how someone could make it home for 4 PM when the work day ends at 4:30 PM. Back roads, maybe?