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    Like we didnt already have a voting problem

    We are now moving into new territory. We already had a flawed voting system. Now it will be so bad that people may as well not even vote. What is the point?

    A court ruling just changed how we pick our president

    See more at the link https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ele...k-our-n1044961

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    A federal appeals court ruled late Tuesday that presidential electors who cast the actual ballots for president and vice president are free to vote as they wish and cannot be required to follow the results of the popular vote in their states.The decision could give a single elector the power to decide the outcome of a presidential election if the popular vote results in an apparent Electoral College tie.

    "This issue could be a ticking time bomb in our divided politics. It's not hard to imagine how a single faithless elector, voting differently than his or her state did, could swing a close presidential election," said Mark Murray, NBC News senior political editor.

    It hasn't been much of an issue in American political history because when an elector refuses to follow the results of a state's popular vote, the state simply throws the ballot away. But Tuesday's ruling says states cannot do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson View Post
    We are now moving into new territory. We already had a flawed voting system. Now it will be so bad that people may as well not even vote. What is the point?

    A court ruling just changed how we pick our president

    See more at the link https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ele...k-our-n1044961
    It only affects states in the 10th Circuit, and it will likely be appealed to SCOTUS.
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    The Constitution and federal statute are silent on pledging. Some states have laws covering it. So it isn't a Constitutional issue. Interestingly Wiki says there have been 167 instances of faithless electors. But only one election was effected by this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The Constitution and federal statute are silent on pledging. Some states have laws covering it. So it isn't a Constitutional issue. Interestingly Wiki says there have been 167 instances of faithless electors. But only one election was effected by this.
    It is a real issue. Why vote if our votes wont even be taken into consideration? Might as well scrap it altogether and just get the electors together. Are we slowly going full authoritarian? Soon we will not be a democratic republic anymore, well we already aren't if you think about it. The people are not the ones being represented anymore. The only ones with representation are the 1%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson View Post
    It is a real issue. Why vote if our votes wont even be taken into consideration? Might as well scrap it altogether and just get the electors together. Are we slowly going full authoritarian? Soon we will not be a democratic republic anymore, well we already aren't if you think about it. The people are not the ones being represented anymore. The only ones with representation are the 1%.
    I get your point. That is why I am against the national popular vote compact.

    That is absolutely crazy. State A could vote 99% for candidate A, but if the national vote goes for candidate B, State A's votes go for candidate B.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I get your point. That is why I am against the national popular vote compact.

    That is absolutely crazy. State A could vote 99% for candidate A, but if the national vote goes for candidate B, State A's votes go for candidate B.
    That IS crazy. I hadn't heard that one. That really is just as bad as the OP. I am all for every single vote being counted and scrapping the electoral college but I am not down for that link you just presented. That is just wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson View Post
    That IS crazy. I hadn't heard that one. That really is just as bad as the OP. I am all for every single vote being counted and scrapping the electoral college but I am not down for that link you just presented. That is just wrong.
    I have no doubt that this will be shot down by the courts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I get your point. That is why I am against the national popular vote compact.

    That is absolutely crazy. State A could vote 99% for candidate A, but if the national vote goes for candidate B, State A's votes go for candidate B.
    I agree that the National Popular Vote is a dangerous scenario. If the libs ever push it through, I think SCOTUS will throw it out, however.
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    This isn't new. It's always been that way. From what I understand, it's never gone against the vote of the state citizens, but legally it could.
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