Pentagon push to extend benefits to same-sex couples stirs debate

[Chloe]

That's your personal definition. That's not society's.

And two gay people wanting to get married are also not "radical," they just want fair and equal treatment. Thanks for your stance on this!

[Mister D]

That's your personal definition. That's not society's.

It's the definition millenia of tradition and custom have bestowed on it.

[Mister D]

And two gay people wanting to get married are also not "radical," they just want fair and equal treatment. Thanks for your stance on this!

They already have it.

[Mister D]

I didn't at all mean it that way. My point was that the majority of states don't recognize their marriage, which is totally wrong in my opinion. I wasn't saying they were pretending to be cute. I said that the states recognize their marriage on the same level as two kids playing. You can't say they have equal rights when they are looked down on and kept away from something as meaningful as marriage.

I know you didn't mean it that way but I did. Gays like to play house, apparently. I just don't find it particularly cute.

Marriage is very meaningful to gays. Indeed, this is about social acceptance not rights.

[Chris]

It's the definition millenia of tradition and custom have bestowed on it.

No it's not. It's merely your preferred definition

[Mister D]

No it's not. It's merely your preferred definition

Yes, it is. Whether I prefer it or not is immaterial. What you and gays seek to do is to redefine an institution to suit a fad.

[Chloe]

Yes, it is. Whether I prefer it or not is immaterial. What you and gays seek to do is to redefine an institution to suit a fad.

Two people who love each other and want to show that through marriage is a fad??? Skinny jeans on guys is a fad.

[Mister D]

Two people who love each other and want to show that through marriage is a fad??? Skinny jeans on guys is a fad.

You're making an emotional appeal, Chole. Yes, it's a fad. It's a whim. It's pure emotion and utterly lacking in substance. Secondly, why do they need to show this love to the whole world? You sort of get it but you haven't quite put it together yet. It has nothing whatsoever to do with rights and equality. It's about changing perceptions. It's about acceptance. That's why just loving each other won't cut it. That's why it needs official recognition.

Look, just don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.

[Chris]

Yes, it is. Whether I prefer it or not is immaterial. What you and gays seek to do is to redefine an institution to suit a fad.

You're counting on historical records of laws elites made against gays marrying. But that actually implies it was common, just that the elites didn't approve.

[Mister D]

You're counting on historical records of laws elites made against gays marrying. But that actually implies it was common, just that the elites didn't approve.

I haven't referenced a single law. There is no need to.