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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Michael Mann’s bogus “hockey stick” graph defamation lawsuit dismissed by the Supreme Court.

    Michael Mann sued another doctor for claiming that Mann's hockey stick was fake science. A British court dismissed the lawsuit and awarded the defendant the costs of his legal defense.

    It isn't true that the "hysteria" about global warming has been based on the "hockey stick" graph. Climate scientists would still have a very credible case for projecting a dire future without this graph. Actually, the

    science itself and the projections for future climate change are not dependent on this graph.

    Many subsequent studies have produced a similar graph and several studies indicate that the current warming is globally synchronized, except for Antarctica, and unprecedented in the past 2000 years. Past periods of climate change during the past 2000 years were not globally synchronized.

    The graph shown in the OP of Tim Ball's version is represented as a graph of Climatic Changes in Europe whereas the Hockey stick graph represents the entire globe. Why compare apples with oranges?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    Mann's work is solid, having been replicated over and over.
    Replicating garbage doesn't change the fact that it is garbage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalmike View Post
    It isn't true that the "hysteria" about global warming has been based on the "hockey stick" graph. Climate scientists would still have a very credible case for projecting a dire future without this graph. Actually, the

    science itself and the projections for future climate change are not dependent on this graph.

    Many subsequent studies have produced a similar graph and several studies indicate that the current warming is globally synchronized, except for Antarctica, and unprecedented in the past 2000 years. Past periods of climate change during the past 2000 years were not globally synchronized.

    The graph shown in the OP of Tim Ball's version is represented as a graph of Climatic Changes in Europe whereas the Hockey stick graph represents the entire globe. Why compare apples with oranges?

    Other than mamooth, I doubt anyone defends Mann's work these days.

    True other global climate change model predictions show rising temps and thus, if generalized enough, a sort of hockey stick if the Y-axis is scaled to exaggerate a half degree of temp rise.

    Generaliation is key here for indeed when you look at anything less than global modelling, such as Ball did for even as large an area as Europe, the global "hockey sticks" just aren't found. This, to me says something about the value of global models.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Other than mamooth, I doubt anyone defends Mann's work these days.

    True other global climate change model predictions show rising temps and thus, if generalized enough, a sort of hockey stick if the Y-axis is scaled to exaggerate a half degree of temp rise.

    Generaliation is key here for indeed when you look at anything less than global modelling, such as Ball did for even as large an area as Europe, the global "hockey sticks" just aren't found. This, to me says something about the value of global models.
    I defend Mann's work. I only know of one insignificant statistical error in his analysis. There is no evidence of fraud that I am aware of.

    Below is the original Hockey stick graph with error bars in light blue and the mean in dark blue. The green dots are from a later reconstruction, the pages 2k consortium (2013). The red lined is HADCRUT4 data from 1850-2013.

    graph taken from Wikipedia
    Last edited by skepticalmike; 08-31-2019 at 12:57 PM.

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    Incorrect.

    Anyway, since all prior models fall short I predict you don't need to melt down.

    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalmike View Post
    It isn't true that the "hysteria" about global warming has been based on the "hockey stick" graph. Climate scientists would still have a very credible case for projecting a dire future without this graph. Actually, the

    science itself and the projections for future climate change are not dependent on this graph.

    Many subsequent studies have produced a similar graph and several studies indicate that the current warming is globally synchronized, except for Antarctica, and unprecedented in the past 2000 years. Past periods of climate change during the past 2000 years were not globally synchronized.

    The graph shown in the OP of Tim Ball's version is represented as a graph of Climatic Changes in Europe whereas the Hockey stick graph represents the entire globe. Why compare apples with oranges?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Other than mamooth, I doubt anyone defends Mann's work these days.

    True other global climate change model predictions show rising temps and thus, if generalized enough, a sort of hockey stick if the Y-axis is scaled to exaggerate a half degree of temp rise.

    Generaliation is key here for indeed when you look at anything less than global modelling, such as Ball did for even as large an area as Europe, the global "hockey sticks" just aren't found. This, to me says something about the value of global models.
    That is why climate science is unique. They forgo the scientific method.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Other than mamooth, I doubt anyone defends Mann's work these days.

    True other global climate change model predictions show rising temps and thus, if generalized enough, a sort of hockey stick if the Y-axis is scaled to exaggerate a half degree of temp rise.













    Generaliation is key here for indeed when you look at anything less than global modelling, such as Ball did for even as large an area as Europe, the global "hockey sticks" just aren't found. This, to me says something about the value of global models.
    I don't know why you are talking about models when the Hockey Stick is based on observational data. It has nothing to do with climate models. The hockey stick is found with climate models and it is found

    with many different proxy studies combined with the temperature record from 1850-2000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalmike View Post
    I don't know why you are talking about models when the Hockey Stick is based on observational data. It has nothing to do with climate models. The hockey stick is found with climate models and it is found

    with many different proxy studies combined with the temperature record from 1850-2000.
    Read this, assuming you are at all interested in the truth: Michael Mann "Hockey Stick" Update: Now Definitively Established To Be Fraud
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    That is why climate science is unique. They forgo the scientific method.
    How is the scientific method not followed in the pursuit of climate science?

    It never ceases to amaze me that so many people can be manipulated by anti-climate science propaganda. It is evident on the 3 forums that I am a member. People just parrot what they hear on their

    favorite news outlets and never seem to have any skepticism about what they are reading or hearing. I treat climate science as purely a scientific issue and never concern myself about the economic or

    political consequences.

    I may give up visiting these forums in the future. No one ever seem to change their minds and it is a source of stress. I come here for a little excitement every once and a while and my mood

    picks up for a few days but then I feel depressed. It is like a mild manic-depressive experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalmike View Post
    I defend Mann's work. I only know of one insignificant statistical error in his analysis. There is no evidence of fraud that I am aware of.

    Below is the original Hockey stick graph with error bars in light blue and the mean in dark blue. The green dots are from a later reconstruction, the pages 2k consortium (2013). The red lined is HADCRUT4 data from 1850-2013.

    graph taken from Wikipedia
    No scientist will defend Mann’s shoddy work. No scientist can recreate it because unlike ethical science, Mann refuses to realease all the information.
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