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    Global Warming or Bad Data? Garbage in...

    And climate science has always suffered from the problem of shaky and missing data. Seventy percent of the globe is covered by ocean, where data is hard to collect. Reliable weather records only go back to about 1850 and, in many parts of the world, are far more recent. Modern recording weather stations date only to the early 20th century.

    And many of those stations have a big problem. While they haven’t changed appreciably over the years, the land around them has changed, often profoundly, with the great growth in urban and suburban areas. The weather station that was put, say, in the middle of a Nassau County, Long Island, potato field in 1923 is still in the same spot. But the potatoes are long gone, and now it’s behind a strip mall, twenty feet from the kitchen exhaust fan of a Chinese take-out joint.


    A study by meteorologist Anthony Watts found that almost 90 percent of the 1221 weather stations in the U.S. did not meet the National Weather Service’s setting standards, which requires that they be at least 100 feet from any artificial heat source or radiating surface. You can see some of the most egregious violators here. To deal with this defective information, climate scientists, have “adjusted” the data to solve this problem. Invariably, these adjustments have made earlier data show lower temperatures, and recent data show higher ones.



    To develop reliable data, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) placed 114 state-of-the-art weather stations relatively evenly spaced about the lower 48 states. They were carefully sited to be away from urban areas, which are heat islands, airports, which can be affected by jet exhaust, etc.


    The system became operative in 2005. Now, realclearenergy.com is reporting that there has been no increase in average temperatures in the continental United States over the last 14 years, as measured by these new stations. If anything, overall temperatures are slightly cooler than they were.


    As a result, the U.S. CO2 emissions are down to where they were in 1985–a third of a century ago, when the GDP was half what it is now in inflation-adjusted terms, and the population was smaller by a quarter. No other industrialized country has come anywhere close to reducing their emissions by so much......snip~


    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/p...ata-locations/


    Yes garbage in.....that is what the left always brings with it. Although many know the other aspect.....which is the left and its intention to deceive people. You know lie about $#@!. Make $#@! up. Be about falsehoods and ignore history until they can change it. As because always with a leftist, the ends justifies the means.
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    Computer models. Garbage in, garbage out.

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    Global Warming


    If you want to know if there has been global warming, then observe the rapid rise in global ocean heat content (0-2000 meters deep) since 1990. The global ocean heat content has also been

    rising at depths greater than 2000 meters. All of the temperature data sets show global warming in the continental U.S. during the 20th century and during the last 50 years of the 20th century.

    Long time periods of several decades are necessary to establish a trend and temperature stations measure the temperature anomaly against a 30 years average (typically 30 or more years).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    And climate science has always suffered from the problem of shaky and missing data. Seventy percent of the globe is covered by ocean, where data is hard to collect. Reliable weather records only go back to about 1850 and, in many parts of the world, are far more recent. Modern recording weather stations date only to the early 20th century.

    And many of those stations have a big problem. While they haven’t changed appreciably over the years, the land around them has changed, often profoundly, with the great growth in urban and suburban areas. The weather station that was put, say, in the middle of a Nassau County, Long Island, potato field in 1923 is still in the same spot. But the potatoes are long gone, and now it’s behind a strip mall, twenty feet from the kitchen exhaust fan of a Chinese take-out joint.


    A study by meteorologist Anthony Watts found that almost 90 percent of the 1221 weather stations in the U.S. did not meet the National Weather Service’s setting standards, which requires that they be at least 100 feet from any artificial heat source or radiating surface. You can see some of the most egregious violators here. To deal with this defective information, climate scientists, have “adjusted” the data to solve this problem. Invariably, these adjustments have made earlier data show lower temperatures, and recent data show higher ones.



    To develop reliable data, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) placed 114 state-of-the-art weather stations relatively evenly spaced about the lower 48 states. They were carefully sited to be away from urban areas, which are heat islands, airports, which can be affected by jet exhaust, etc.


    The system became operative in 2005. Now, realclearenergy.com is reporting that there has been no increase in average temperatures in the continental United States over the last 14 years, as measured by these new stations. If anything, overall temperatures are slightly cooler than they were.


    As a result, the U.S. CO2 emissions are down to where they were in 1985–a third of a century ago, when the GDP was half what it is now in inflation-adjusted terms, and the population was smaller by a quarter. No other industrialized country has come anywhere close to reducing their emissions by so much......snip~


    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/p...ata-locations/


    Yes garbage in.....that is what the left always brings with it. Although many know the other aspect.....which is the left and its intention to deceive people. You know lie about $#@!. Make $#@! up. Be about falsehoods and ignore history until they can change it. As because always with a leftist, the ends justifies the means.
    How about actual physical effects?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skepticalmike View Post
    Global Warming


    If you want to know if there has been global warming, then observe the rapid rise in global ocean heat content (0-2000 meters deep) since 1990. The global ocean heat content has also been

    rising at depths greater than 2000 meters. All of the temperature data sets show global warming in the continental U.S. during the 20th century and during the last 50 years of the 20th century.

    Long time periods of several decades are necessary to establish a trend and temperature stations measure the temperature anomaly against a 30 years average (typically 30 or more years).

    Skeptical, you're more informed about the details of climate change than most but you're once again making an argument that doesn't address the topic. The other day it was the inaccuractu of climate models, here's it's the garbage assumption and gap fillers that lead to greater and greater error that you're not addressing. And actually you're revealing another source of inaccuracy in that graph, for the greater the pan over which one averages temperatures the greater the inaccuracies, pentadal (5 year) averages are hardly close to 3-month averages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Skeptical, you're more informed about the details of climate change than most but you're once again making an argument that doesn't address the topic. The other day it was the inaccuractu of climate models, here's it's the garbage assumption and gap fillers that lead to greater and greater error that you're not addressing. And actually you're revealing another source of inaccuracy in that graph, for the greater the pan over which one averages temperatures the greater the inaccuracies, pentadal (5 year) averages are hardly close to 3-month averages.
    I addressed the central question: global warming or bad data. I chose global warming. I wanted to make my post short so I picked the change in ocean energy storage as the best evidence for

    global warming. Approximately 92% of any energy imbalance of the earth goes into heating the oceans. During the 2005 to 2010 time period James Hansen of NASA measured an energy

    imbalance of +0.58 +/- 0.15 watts per square meter. That measurement took place during a prolonged solar minimum so the energy imbalance was biased low. This is a very significant finding

    and it indicates that global warming was obviously happening, it was not caused by internal variation or natural causes, and that there was additional warming in the pipeline in 2010 because the

    earth's surface had not finished responding to the planetary energy imbalance.

    Both paragraphs and Figure 2 are from skepticalscience.com, "Are Surface Temperature Records Reliable"

    In 2009 some people worried that weather stations placed in poor locations could make the temperature record unreliable. Scientists at the National Climatic Data Center took those critics seriously and did a careful study of the possible problem. Their article "On the reliability of the U.S. surface temperature record" (Menne et al. 2010) had a surprising conclusion. The temperatures from stations that critics claimed were "poorly sited" actually showed slightly cooler maximum daily temperatures compared to the average.



    In 2010 Dr. Richard Muller criticized the "hockey stick" graph and decided to do his own temperature analysis. He organized a group called Berkeley Earth to do an independent study of the temperature record. They specifically wanted to answer the question is "the temperature rise on land improperly affected by the four key biases (station quality, homogenization, urban heat island, and station selection)?" Their conclusion was NO. None of those factors bias the temperature record. The Berkeley conclusions about the urban heat effect were nicely explained by Andy Skuce in an SkS post in 2011. Figure 2 shows that the U.S. network does not show differences between rural and urban sites."

    Figure 2. Comparison of spatially gridded minimum temperatures for U.S. Historical Climatology Network (USHCN) data adjusted for time-of-day (TOB) only, and selected for rural or urban neighborhoods after homogenization to remove biases. (Hausfather et al. 2013)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post


    Oh you mean like the ones that have always been around before there were Corporations and companies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Oh you mean like the ones that have always been around before there were Corporations and companies?
    No, like that millennia old glacier melting away in a couple of decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    No, like that millennia old glacier melting away in a couple of decades.


    Hmmmm.

    Glacier Bay glaciers were retreating in the 1700s - Ice ...

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    Glacier Bay glaciers were retreating in the 1700s. “Notice that those glaciers were retreating in the 1700’s, nearly two centuries before humans had much effect on CO2 levels,” says Burton. “Note the large deceleration ( reduction) in rate of glacial retreat during the 20th century, despite a dramatic increase in human CO2 emissions. “Advance &...
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