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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    I'm skeptical of the science and I'm skeptical of some of the stories as far as elite fitness is concerned. For me, the only respectable veganism is an ethical veganism. I don't need anyone to tell me I can be Mr. Universe on a vegan diet. I'm going to call BS on that for several reasons but that's immaterial. I can meet you half way regarding how we raise animals. It's offensive and I made a choice as a Christian to change my habits. Most Americans would also do well to eat less meat in so far as it comes at the expense of other foods.

    The ethics are, as you say, admirable, and I've often wondered if ethics didn't originally play some role in the development of kosher meat rules. We have some prime acreage for hunting and we're often asked by hunters if they can hunt here. We turn them down except for one situation -- if they've already wounded the animal and are tracking it. In that case, yes, they may track it on our land because it's the ethical thing to allow.

    I don't think we all need to strive to be vegan athletes, but there are some misconceptions in the meat-eating world, such as thinking vegans won't get enough protein, which may (or may not) be addressed by the upcoming film. The lack of B12 is an obvious concern, but that, too, is easy to overcome.

    To my way of thinking, food flavor is simple science, and I can create a vegan burger that's just as tasty as a hamburger, but with twice the protein and none of the artery-clogging fat. Of course, it must be eaten with fries (I mean, that's a given, right?) and that may cancel out its health properties. The addition of nutritional yeast gives it a "meaty" flavor and offers more B12 than the original.

    Eventually, I think people will move toward more veganism, but I think it will be a slow move -- at least a hundred years.

    What I'm excited about with the upcoming film is that -- if it shows what I think it will -- it will demonstrate that going meatless (for those in the emotional vicinity) can be a healthy option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    The ethics are, as you say, admirable, and I've often wondered if ethics didn't originally play some role in the development of kosher meat rules. We have some prime acreage for hunting and we're often asked by hunters if they can hunt here. We turn them down except for one situation -- if they've already wounded the animal and are tracking it. In that case, yes, they may track it on our land because it's the ethical thing to allow.

    I don't think we all need to strive to be vegan athletes, but there are some misconceptions in the meat-eating world, such as thinking vegans won't get enough protein, which may (or may not) be addressed by the upcoming film. The lack of B12 is an obvious concern, but that, too, is easy to overcome.

    To my way of thinking, food flavor is simple science, and I can create a vegan burger that's just as tasty as a hamburger, but with twice the protein and none of the artery-clogging fat. Of course, it must be eaten with fries (I mean, that's a given, right?) and that may cancel out its health properties. The addition of nutritional yeast gives it a "meaty" flavor and offers more B12 than the original.

    Eventually, I think people will move toward more veganism, but I think it will be a slow move -- at least a hundred years.

    What I'm excited about with the upcoming film is that -- if it shows what I think it will -- it will demonstrate that going meatless (for those in the emotional vicinity) can be a healthy option.
    You can definitely get all the nutrition you need as a vegan but you have to supplement and plan things out a little more thoroughly than most of us are used to. That brings me back to the ethics. Veganism takes a lot of discipline (at least at first) and I think it's much easier to deal with the limitations of a vegan diet if you're morally committed to it. If you're just doing it because you think it's healthier or just want to make a healthy change I think you're setting yourself up for failure.

    Granted, if "meat eating" means greasy burgers and fatty cuts of meat on a regular basis you're probably better off changing your lifestyle but it doesn't have to be. For athletes, especially elite athletes, it certainly isn't. I eat 6 good eggs a week
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    and about a pound of something else be it grass fed beef, chicken, lean pork, turkey, white fish or salmon. I haven't crunched the numbers but I'd estimate that 2/3rds of my protein comes from legumes, wheat and dairy. And I still have to supplement with whey protein bars to consistently reach my protein goals.

    Regarding the film, you know, I suspect body building to the extent that guys like Arnold take it to just isn't healthy regardless of diet. I might be wrong but my intuition says that's just not right.
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    Man has canine teeth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Man has canine teeth.
    Don't forget nipples. And in life's early stages in utero, a tail.
    Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Wow. Just...wow.

    I'm to the point in my life where I may have to make some changes if I want to live another fifteen years instead of just five or less. Honestly, I'd miss the meat, but...
    Once upon a time in the Land of Cotton one of my great fears was that I would not live to be really old. After seeing my dad and dead grandma die in the manner many elders do ? Now one of my great fears is that I will live to be really old
    I'm yo.
    This my brother yo
    We yo yo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Don't forget nipples. And in life's early stages in utero, a tail.
    Sure thing. Now about the canine teeth...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotton1 View Post
    Once upon a time in the Land of Cotton one of my great fears was that I would not live to be really old. After seeing my dad and dead grandma die in the manner many elders do ? Now one of my great fears is that I will live to be really old
    In my dad's family no one died younger than age 85. They were all meat eaters. That proved nothing.
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    The quip in the trailer about gladiators is a bit misleading. Look up why they switched to the barley diet.

    Fat. Carbs make you fat. They needed a layer of fat.

    They also added calcium to their diet. And I have not found one publication that claims that they didn't eat meat. All of them claim they ate very little animal protein.
    You are wrong about police.

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    I eat a lot less meat these days- less than 16 ounces a week - most weeks. I eat at least a dozen eggs a week, sometimes more. And like Mr. D I spend more to get free range / non-factory farmed meat, except I do it more for the health benefits than ethics. I eat a lot of veggies/fruits and a moderate amount of grains and other starchy carbs.
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