What is the basis for rights?

[Chris]

Um, I began from the point where man became sedentarian and while disease borne of people living in close proximity may well have been an issue, it didn't result in the state because medical knowledge of communicable disease was nonexistent at the time. However, as they were becoming rather productive in horticulture and agriculture, animal husbandry and the like, they were targets both from within and without. Nevertheless, they chose sedentarianism because nomadism in the face of weather and climate issues became undependable. Hunter gathering often led to starvation when prey were not breeding because there wasn't enough food. People migrated to places where the land was fertile and warm enough to produce crops. However, with so many people living in larger and larger groups, social dynamics changed. I read somewhere that the key indicator of the evolution of a state was the development of a city which allowed for the development of trades, administration and all manner of other non-agricultural means of earning a living.

So what exactly are you disagreeing with? The fact that the state evolved from the need to protect large groups of people in a fixed location both from internal sources of crime and exploitation as well as external marauders?

BS, you started from "The state arises when the "bad guys"."

while disease borne of people living in close proximity may well have been an issue

And animals domesticated in close proximity and crops, etc. It was a major issue.

it didn't result in the state

No one claimed death and disease from transitioning to agriculture caused the state. Try to argue with points made, not some strawman.

they chose sedentarianism

It was an evolutionary change. No one "chose" it.


Your argument seems to have drifted off from the origins of the state to a defense of sedentarism over nomadism.

What exactly is your point as you drift from one thing to another?


It's kind of ironic that you who so loves the centralized, modern state as good, speak of its origins in evil.

[Dr. Who]

BS, you started from "The state arises when the "bad guys"."




And animals domesticated in close proximity and crops, etc. It was a major issue.



No one claimed death and disease from transitioning to agriculture caused the state. Try to argue with points made, not some strawman.



It was an evolutionary change. No one "chose" it.


Your argument seems to have drifted off from the origins of the state to a defense of sedentarism over nomadism.

What exactly is your point as you drift from one thing to another?


It's kind of ironic that you who so loves the centralized, modern state as good, speak of its origins in evil.

I no longer care to participate in this discussion with you. If you really wanted a "discussion", you would have clarified your specific points of disagreement without the supercilious attitude and personal criticisms that have nothing to do with the topic at hand and do nothing to encourage conversation.

[Chris]

I no longer care to participate in this discussion with you. If you really wanted a "discussion", you would have clarified your specific points of disagreement without the supercilious attitude and personal criticisms that have nothing to do with the topic at hand and do nothing to encourage conversation.

Thanks for the personal attack. All because I disagree with your opinion that the state originates with "bad guys.".

So long and thanks for all the fish too.