New UK Election Expected: My Thoughts

[Mister D]

This entire post is what's lunacy here. Until recently, an isolationist party was governing Italy. Russian-backed isolationist regimes similarly control Poland and Hungary at present. Frankly, the new British Prime Minister Boris Johnson is also part of this orbit, though less one-sidedly so than Nigel Farage and his Brexit Party.

Outside of Europe, Brazil's Jair Bolsonaro and America's Donald Trump are also obvious examples. I'm referring to a "nationalist" political trend that embraces a negative view of both immigration and trade in a negative light broadly. You know that. You're not as dumb as you're playing.

No isolationist party ever governed Italy and no isolationist parties govern anywhere in Europe. You sound like a loon when you start babbling about Russia. Please stop that.

Trump and Bolsonaro are not isolationists. Nationalism is not isolationism anymore than it's fascism or racism.

Frankly, these are not your thoughts on Brexit. These are someone else's thoughts and that someone is acting in bad faith. Wise up.

[IMPress Polly]

No isolationist party ever governed Italy and no isolationist parties govern anywhere in Europe. You sound like a loon when you start babbling about Russia. Please stop that.

Trump and Bolsonaro are not isolationists. Nationalism is not isolationism anymore than it's fascism or racism.

Frankly, these are not your thoughts on Brexit. These are someone else's thoughts and that someone is acting in bad faith. Wise up.

I have reached the conclusion that you do not post in good faith and should just be ignored. Every word you just wrote is completely disingenuous and you know it.

[IMPress Polly]

Official UK government report on the expected consequences of a no-deal Brexit:

-Major holdups at channel ports.
-Significant electricity price increases.
-Shortages of certain foods and medicines.
-An increase in the crime rate.

[Peter1469]

I think you are confusing isolationism with nationalism.

I also think a no deal Brexit is best for the UK. The conditions the EU were demanding, at least some of them were the reason for the Brexit in the first place.

Many years ago I posted an article that had a chart showing the GDPs of the EU nations prior to the EU and after. Most nations if not all had better GDPs prior to the EU.

Britain will make trade deals. The US will jump in. It will give our stuff that China is not buying a place to go.

[Mister D]

I have reached the conclusion that you do not post in good faith and should just be ignored. Every word you just wrote is completely disingenuous and you know it.

What have I said that was even remotely disingenuous? Can you explain? No?

Again, these are not your thoughts. That much is clear. You're parroting the propaganda of your economic superiors and distorting language just like they do. The only difference is you really believe this $#@!. Secondly, did you really expect anyone to believe your interest in Brexit is due to your British cyber buddies? I mean for $#@!s sake. Seriously!?

You also seem completely unaware of how unpopular immigration is in Europe and how important the preservation of culture and identity is to Europeans. Why do you despise ordinary people so much?

[Captdon]

This entire post is what's lunacy here. Until recently, an isolationist party was governing Italy. Russian-backed isolationist regimes similarly control Poland and Hungary at present. Frankly, the new British Prime Minister Boris Johnson is also part of this orbit, though less one-sidedly so than Nigel Farage and his Brexit Party.

Outside of Europe, Brazil's Jair Bolsonaro and America's Donald Trump are also obvious examples. I'm referring to a "nationalist" political trend that embraces a negative view of both immigration and trade in a negative light broadly. You know that. You're not as dumb as you're playing.

So do Poland, and Hungry and Romania on their own. None of them would spit on Russia.

I fail to see why it's any of your business what the Brits do.

[IMPress Polly]

Britain will make trade deals. The US will jump in. It will give our stuff that China is not buying a place to go.

We've already seen some of the terms on which the U.S. intends to jump in and they're quite harsh. Same with China. The fact is that, without the EU, the UK will have much LESS bargaining power, not more.

[IMPress Polly]

Here's the latest polling date out of the UK concerning party support levels, which I'll below compare to the 2017 election outcome in the popular vote:

2017:

Conservative Party: 42.4%
Labour Party: 40%
Liberal Democrats: 7.4%

NEW POLL:

Conservative Party: 30%
Labour Party: 29%
Liberal Democrats: 17%
Brexit Party: 13%

As you can see, as things presently stand, both of the major parties stand to lose a significant number of votes in any new election, while the Liberal Democrats and Brexit Party pick up the slack and emerge as major players. And that represents a major shift. Just a week ago, there was a survey showing the Conservatives leading by a margin of 14 percentage points. The latest poll suggests that lead is down to just 1%, which would result in an actual reduction of seats held by the Conservative Party. If this trajectory continues (and it probably will), the end result of any new election could very well be the Liberal Democrats and the Brexit Party becoming genuinely competitive with Labour and the Tories respectively. Party loyalties are shifting fast as Brexit takes over the political debate.

[Mister D]

That's right, Polly. This major realignment seems likely to continue across the Western world. Things are changing. Get your priorities straight. Or maybe you already have...

[Rationalist]

People don't eat in the long run.

I would also strongly dispute the idea that the UK would benefit even in the long run. As you've already seen in the harsh terms that both our government and the Chinese have been offering for replacement trade agreements, the fact is that, without the EU framework, the UK will LOSE bargaining power, not gain more!

Brexit is already harming the British economy in the present, will cause a full-blown depression if enacted on October 31st without a deal as currently scheduled, and will result in an overall loss of bargaining power when it comes to negotiating future trade deals. In other words, Brexit is harmful now, in the present, and will also be harmful in both the short-term future and in the long-term as well if enacted. No wonder candidates for Nigel Farage's Brexit Party can be spotted wearing Vladimir Putin shirts; because that's who actually benefits from this and who the isolationist far right is actually loyal to.

Let's suppose you're correct for a moment. The UK exits the EU, and apparently, "shortages of food and medical supplies and the recolonization of Northern Ireland" happen. That would suggest that the UK is already compromised. If a US state decided to leave the US and the US allowed this peacefully, that state would not suffer shortages of food and medical supplies. Trade would be a little more complicated, but the people of said state would survive just fine. So it begs the question - why would it be so drastically different if a European country left the EU?

Basically, if your assumptions are correct, then the UK has a much bigger problem than just dealing with the EU. The problem is that they are a dependent vassal state rather than a sovereign nation.

Given the UK's resources, I would think they wouldn't be in such bad shape as the globalists claim to believe.