The 50's

[CCitizen]

Character flaws? How many British citizens did Churchill starve to death? How many British citizens did Churchill throw into the gulags for no reason? How many families were destroyed by Churchill to advance the cause of socialism?

He caused enough suffering in India.

President Harry S. Truman used military force to inflict over a million fatalities on North Korean civilians.

[Standing Wolf]

Indeed, the Gilette Ad generated 1.5 million dislikes and a massive financial loss for Gilette. Fortunately men are waking up to the fact that demonization of men is the only acceptable form of bigotry for the last 50 years.

Perhaps male bashing jokes are not that harmful. but portrayal of men as Privileged Oppressors is extremely harmful to all men and to Society.

Is it "demonization" if the men so portrayed are simply doing the things that actual men in real life are doing? And if other men in those same portrayals are not acting badly, but taking issue with the ones who are?

I absolutely agree that the hate-filled and, yes, bigoted rants against the male of the species one hears from some quarters are uncalled for and, in some extreme cases, even despicable. What I don't like seeing, however, is the sort of hypersensitivity exemplified by the reaction of so many to the Gillette ad.

Was not the bad behavior displayed in that ad pointed out in the ad by other men? If the men in the ad who were behaving badly had been corrected by someone other than other men - say, women - then those who claim that the ad vilified "all men" might have a halfway decent point. The men in the ad weren't, and the critics don't.

I'm reminded somewhat of the situation that used to exist with regard to Black people in films and television. The complaint - and it was a valid one - was that they were only ever portrayed as servants or criminals. In films and t.v. today, we have Black cops, doctors, attorneys, etc., and servants and criminals...but not only servants and criminals any longer. It shouldn't surprise, upset or outrage someone to see a man acting poorly around women, as long as that isn't all we see...any more than we are outraged or upset at seeing a man portrayed as a serial killer or other criminal. Most of the rapists and sexual abusers on 'Law & Order: SVU' are White guys; where are the protests of that show?

[Standing Wolf]

That little window in the front made to direct incoming air to the rear passengers was called "Wind wing"...

I think you mean "wing window", don't you, Jim? That's what we called them, although technically I think the name for them was "vent window".

[Ransom]

Genocide and over ten million people killed make him a villain.

But George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were both heroes and villains. Their dedication to the Bill of Rights was heroic. Their dedication to Slavery was evil.

Martin Luther King's dedication to civil rights was heroic. His dedication to cheating on his wife never even mentioned, that what you're speaking to?

[DGUtley]

You screwed up a nice religious thread. You are a whiny little freak. You're calling him out! Oh, my God. Crawl back to the Hole where you can be you.

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[CCitizen]

I absolutely agree that the hate-filled and, yes, bigoted rants against the male of the species one hears from some quarters are uncalled for and, in some extreme cases, even despicable. What I don't like seeing, however, is the sort of hypersensitivity exemplified by the reaction of so many to the Gillette ad.

A lot of extreme generalizations and extreme hate of men is acceptable in Modern Society. Some of what is acceptable is below:

In my opinion, after several decades of demonization of men, it is good that men are overreacting rather then under-reacting.

[CCitizen]

I'm reminded somewhat of the situation that used to exist with regard to Black people in films and television. The complaint - and it was a valid one - was that they were only ever portrayed as servants or criminals. In films and t.v. today, we have Black cops, doctors, attorneys, etc., and servants and criminals...but not only servants and criminals any longer. It shouldn't surprise, upset or outrage someone to see a man acting poorly around women, as long as that isn't all we see...any more than we are outraged or upset at seeing a man portrayed as a serial killer or other criminal. Most of the rapists and sexual abusers on 'Law & Order: SVU' are White guys; where are the protests of that show?

After Slavery and Jim Crow Laws, African Americans are right to be extremely vigilant. It is better to be over-vigilant then under-vigilant.

[Retirednsmilin308]

He's not all there. I don't mean that in a nasty way. I never get angry when he's wrong. He doesn't know any better. He and Strange are both that way. It's like Romper Room with them.

Thank you. I will temper my replies accordingly.

[Standing Wolf]

After Slavery and Jim Crow Laws, African Americans are right to be extremely vigilant. It is better to be over-vigilant then under-vigilant.

Perhaps, but wouldn't it be stupid to object to a t.v. drama showing a Black criminal if the same show featured a Black police detective and a Black attorney? In terms of the media's portrayal of men, that's similar to what we're looking at. Acknowledging that some men still treat women badly and that, as men, we can be instrumental in pointing it out when we see it happening is NOT a betrayal or indictment of men generally.