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    Quote Originally Posted by Reason10 View Post
    Do you really think that? What would the totally free market private schools look like?

    Remember, the true customers in this business (the parents) have gone perhaps 10 generations without actually having to write a tuition check and they get these giant buildings with band programs, sports, cafeterias, libraries, etc. Would taking ALL government money out of that somehow give us the same thing?

    Do you think parents would choose to just write the check every month, no matter how much it would cost? Do you think it would cost more or less?

    (I have a somewhat dark view of parents. About 80 percent of them have no problem putting $150 Nikes on their brats' feet but spend zippo for school supplies. Teachers buy those supplies out of their own pockets. I've seen the invoices. I think these parents are along the lines of the average welfare queen. They've gotten used to what they think is free education and they'll likely not want it to change. They $#@! about their property taxes. They $#@! about all taxes, yet they want to the teacher to take their little undisciplined morons and turn them into Rhodes Scholars, magically. Yes, I'm a little cynical on the subject.)

    You might have some other ideas. I'm all ears.
    Having a public school system is still cheaper than a collection of private schools and a private school system might even be unworkable in areas that are less populated. A certain percentage of the cost of education goes to operating costs. One large school is cheaper to operate than several smaller schools. How many would be willing to pay more than they do through their property taxes or could afford to?


    The voucher system exists in 14 states and based on testing, students attending these private schools are not testing any higher educationally than those attending the public school system.


    As much as education is considered a right, it isn't really. The solution to the problem of undisciplined students should be dealt with as it was in the past. Kick them out of school. Have parents sign a contract at the beginning of every school year agreeing that they will be responsible for ensuring that their children behave in school and if their child is a discipline problem, then that child's education is now the parent's problem, not the school system's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reason10 View Post
    It would seem that you have either deliberately or accidentally swerved into the big question in all of this. And it's a biggie.

    Is education a value for ALL or just for parents? THAT is the most important question of all. And it affects you mostly at the county level.

    Your property taxes pay for roads, both in building them and maintaining them, so you don't sit all day long in traffic and so potholes don't destroy your shocks. That's a value for your tax dollars.

    Someone breaks into your house, you can call 911. If your house is on fire, you call the fire department. That's CLEARLY a value for your tax dollars.

    You don't want EVERY square inch of your town littered with houses, businesses, slums etc. Your property tax values also maintain parks. That is a clear value for your tax dollars.

    What about someone else's kids in the school down the street? What's in it for you? That's the more difficult item to put a value on. How are YOU going to benefit from getting someone else's brats prepared for college?

    At most, at least at the most nebulous levels, perhaps your streets are safer with the brats being locked up in school all day long rather than roaming around looking to get into trouble. Maybe not. We'd all like to think maybe these kids will graduate, go to college, become doctors or some other professions that can serve us and then come back home where they can help out. Of course, they aren't going to come back and serve us for free. And they'll be paying off student loans the size of some countries' GNP, so AGAIN, what's in it for you?

    And I bring this up because YOU are the true customer of education, the one the politicians have to spend the most money selling. It's easy selling the value of property taxes on parents when you tell them their dear little rug rats will get free breakfast and lunch, fun stuff to do and grades they can trade for college scholarships. But the most difficult sell is people like you who don't have kids in the system. What's in it for you?

    And at the risk of REALLY coming across Rush Limbaughian, I believe that's the most legitimate question of all.


    (The county I live in has a huge retired population. Surprise of all surprises: Teachers here are paid less than a lot of other counties.)

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    If most Americans become uneducated, we will turn into Somalia. The rest of us are totally dependent on having an educated workforce to serve our material needs.

    Even more so, we must give a material incentive for the most valuable human potential to go to college. The way it is now, the attitude is that a college graduate only benefits himself, as if he majored in Casino Gambling. That account for this insult to intelligence in that he is not recruited and paid up front, like pro athletes are even though they don't benefit society in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    An education helps the one who is educated live a better life.
    ​Bitter Is Not Better

    College is for teenagers who are afraid to grow up. The reward is not worth the sacrifice. It's like a situation where you could eat free at 5-Star restaurants the rest of your life if you agreed to live on bread and water for four years. The indigestion caused by the educationists' sadistic prerequisite would spoil that "better life." The talented owe us nothing; we owe them everything that prevents us from living like Somalis.

    A typical and logical outcome of college being a growth-stunting unpaid labor happened to one of my friends. At 16, he had the maturity of a 25-year-old. At 25, after seven years of college and law school, he avoided all adult commitments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Having a public school system is still cheaper than a collection of private schools and a private school system might even be unworkable in areas that are less populated. A certain percentage of the cost of education goes to operating costs. One large school is cheaper to operate than several smaller schools. How many would be willing to pay more than they do through their property taxes or could afford to?


    The voucher system exists in 14 states and based on testing, students attending these private schools are not testing any higher educationally than those attending the public school system.


    As much as education is considered a right, it isn't really. The solution to the problem of undisciplined students should be dealt with as it was in the past. Kick them out of school. Have parents sign a contract at the beginning of every school year agreeing that they will be responsible for ensuring that their children behave in school and if their child is a discipline problem, then that child's education is now the parent's problem, not the school system's.
    That is simply untrue and you need to provide some real statistics if you are going to make that claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sage of Main Street View Post
    ​Bitter Is Not Better

    College is for teenagers who are afraid to grow up. The reward is not worth the sacrifice. It's like a situation where you could eat free at 5-Star restaurants the rest of your life if you agreed to live on bread and water for four years. The indigestion caused by the educationists' sadistic prerequisite would spoil that "better life." The talented owe us nothing; we owe them everything that prevents us from living like Somalis.

    A typical and logical outcome of college being a growth-stunting unpaid labor happened to one of my friends. At 16, he had the maturity of a 25-year-old. At 25, after seven years of college and law school, he avoided all adult commitments.
    That is true for many people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sage of Main Street View Post

    Being Self-Centered Is Not in Your Self-Interest



    If most Americans become uneducated, we will turn into Somalia. The rest of us are totally dependent on having an educated workforce to serve our material needs.

    Even more so, we must give a material incentive for the most valuable human potential to go to college. The way it is now, the attitude is that a college graduate only benefits himself, as if he majored in Casino Gambling. That is he is not recruited and paid up front, like pro athletes are even though they don't benefit society in general.
    Interesting take. Getting paid millions upfront for unknown performance by athletes that hate their country and flag because they got "afforded" the opportunity to provide entertainment to less of the masses than ever, thanks to Kaepernick.
    <and his consort>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Having a public school system is still cheaper than a collection of private schools and a private school system might even be unworkable in areas that are less populated. A certain percentage of the cost of education goes to operating costs. One large school is cheaper to operate than several smaller schools. How many would be willing to pay more than they do through their property taxes or could afford to?


    The voucher system exists in 14 states and based on testing, students attending these private schools are not testing any higher educationally than those attending the public school system.


    As much as education is considered a right, it isn't really. The solution to the problem of undisciplined students should be dealt with as it was in the past. Kick them out of school. Have parents sign a contract at the beginning of every school year agreeing that they will be responsible for ensuring that their children behave in school and if their child is a discipline problem, then that child's education is now the parent's problem, not the school system's.
    I so wish for the old days in your last paragraph!

    You just can't do that anymore without the liberal ACLU stepping in costing school boards a fortune to defend doing what's right .

    There was a time when the ACLU represented ALL disadvantaged and discriminated against , people, @Dr. Who.

    Those days are long gone in the states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    That is true for many people.
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    It logically has to be true for all people who are motivated by healthy human drives. Self-sacrifice for the corporate cowboys has no merit; it is part of slave morality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HawkTheSlayer View Post
    That is simply untrue and you need to provide some real statistics if you are going to make that claim.
    https://www.chalkbeat.org/posts/us/2...earch-says-no/
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    Quote Originally Posted by HawkTheSlayer View Post
    I so wish for the old days in your last paragraph!

    You just can't do that anymore without the liberal ACLU stepping in costing school boards a fortune to defend doing what's right .

    There was a time when the ACLU represented ALL disadvantaged and discriminated against , people, @Dr. Who.

    Those days are long gone in the states.
    That's why I would have the parents sign a contract. Perhaps teachers should wear the same cameras that police officers wear. Then there would be no question of whether or not little Johnny was misbehaving.
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