To Extraordinary People who Disagree With Me on Welfare System.

[CCitizen]

Many people who oppose Welfare are truly extraordinary. I do not mean this in sarcastic but in genuine sense. Some of those who possess extraordinary willpower have overcome many difficulties in life and achieved success without relying on anyone's help. Many of those people have difficulty understanding people with low will-power. One type of ad-hominem argument is that an opponent possesses a deficiency and thus is not an authority of the subject of debate. In this case, I am going to argue that many of those who have proficiency -- extraordinary skill or willpower may have difficulty understanding the people at the bottom of Society.

I may be less successful then an average American, but my life is interesting and satisfactory. Unfortunately, there are many people who have much worse luck then myself. Some of them have less willpower and willingness to work then even myself. Many of these people descend to the bottom 5% of Society. Many of these people become prisoners, homeless, and drug addicts.

Myself being in the Lower Middle Class I can understand these people's bad luck and even weakness. Unfortunately, those who have set very high standards for themselves may have little understanding or compassion for those who fail. Unfortunately, the ideas of Social Darwinism and Survival of the Fittest may appeal to those in the Upper Middle Class.

The idea of Humanitarianism is that we must work toward Survival of Everyone rather then Survival of the Fittest. All Humans are worth caring for. That includes those who have been in unfortunate circumstances, those who look down upon their luck, and those who have shown extreme weakness. Even those who have fallen into great hardship as a result of their own unethical acts are worth caring for.

Humanitarian values are widely accepted not only in West Europe but also in Canada. In Canada, even the prisoners serving life for murder are treated humanely. People whose only faults are laziness and lack of will power to stay off drugs are even more worthy of care and humane treatment.

[donttread]

Many people who oppose Welfare are truly extraordinary. I do not mean this in sarcastic but in genuine sense. Some of those who possess extraordinary willpower have overcome many difficulties in life and achieved success without relying on anyone's help. Many of those people have difficulty understanding people with low will-power. One type of ad-hominem argument is that an opponent possesses a deficiency and thus is not an authority of the subject of debate. In this case, I am going to argue that many of those who have proficiency -- extraordinary skill or willpower may have difficulty understanding the people at the bottom of Society.

I may be less successful then an average American, but my life is interesting and satisfactory. Unfortunately, there are many people who have much worse luck then myself. Some of them have less willpower and willingness to work then even myself. Many of these people descend to the bottom 5% of Society. Many of these people become prisoners, homeless, and drug addicts.

Myself being in the Lower Middle Class I can understand these people's bad luck and even weakness. Unfortunately, those who have set very high standards for themselves may have little understanding or compassion for those who fail. Unfortunately, the ideas of Social Darwinism and Survival of the Fittest may appeal to those in the Upper Middle Class.

The idea of Humanitarianism is that we must work toward Survival of Everyone rather then Survival of the Fittest. All Humans are worth caring for. That includes those who have been in unfortunate circumstances, those who look down upon their luck, and those who have shown extreme weakness. Even those who have fallen into great hardship as a result of their own unethical acts are worth caring for.

Humanitarian values are widely accepted not only in West Europe but also in Canada. In Canada, even the prisoners serving life for murder are treated humanely. People whose only faults are laziness and lack of will power to stay off drugs are even more worthy of care and humane treatment.

The current welfare system is drain on the middle class, a trap for it's recipiants, an encouragement for people to have children they cannot care for and a program failure. I really don't think many are against all public help for citizens , but what is there needs to be improved by being smarter, not by throwing more money at the problem.
Providing the needs directly ( housing, food, child care, etc) makes sense while teaching job skills in the process. Think of each town having apartments open to anyone but very small and very basic, but also very safe due to security, blandish but nutritious foods , free/low cost day care. With recipeiants learning skills in everything from day care to security to construction, maintenance etc

[Chris]

Humanitarianism is voluntary.

[donttread]

Humanitarianism is voluntary.

Disagree. A nation with our wealth and obscene wealth at the top must take care of those who cannot do so for themselves. To do otherwise would make us no better than the kingdoms of the past.
I think their are limits and I think we can do a better job... but the concept is not in question for me.

[Peter1469]

Welfare should be a safety net. Not a hammock.

[donttread]

Welfare should be a safety net. Not a hammock.

Which is part of what my proposal is about. The rest of it is about welfare winding up temporary

[Peter1469]

Which is part of what my proposal is about. The rest of it is about welfare winding up temporary

Agreed.

[CCitizen]

Welfare should be a safety net. Not a hammock.

Perhaps in some cases that should be the case.

In my opinion, even the laziest and even the worst people should have reasonable guarantee of some life quality. In Canada, even lifers guilty of murder have humane conditions.

Recently I have watched a documentary about a North Ireland prison. One man was guilty of stabbing his friend to death over a drug dose. He was convicted in 2012, and he will probably be released in 2025. He has a comfortable room and a flat screen TV.

[CCitizen]

Disagree. A nation with our wealth and obscene wealth at the top must take care of those who cannot do so for themselves. To do otherwise would make us no better than the kingdoms of the past.
I think their are limits and I think we can do a better job... but the concept is not in question for me.

Even in Ancient Israel and poor Jewish Shtetls of Middle Ages to early XXth century, people were obligated to provide for the poor.

[CCitizen]

Perhaps being very very lazy is a fault. But it is not a crime. In Canada and West Europe, even the worst criminals are treated humanely.