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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    House Democrats this week advanced a new measure to encourage states to pass “red flag” laws, known as extreme risk protection orders, that authorize removing guns and ammunition from dangerous individuals.


    Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee amended the measure during a Wednesday mark-up to authorize the federal government to issue extreme risk protection orders in some instances, but they rejected an amendment that would have red-flagged anyone who law enforcement lists as a gang member.


    “The majority of violent crime, including gun violence, in the United States is linked to gangs,” Rep. Ken Buck, a Colorado Republican who sponsored the amendment, said Wednesday. “My amendment is quite simple. It would allow the issuance of a red flag order against anyone whose name appears in a gang database if there was probable cause to include that individual in the database.”


    Like the no-fly lists, which have erroneously flagged many innocent individuals as terrorists (including the late Sen. Ted Kennedy), the gang databases are often inaccurate, Democrats said.



    Democrats kept objecting, arguing someone could be misidentified as gang members simply for writing “13” on a piece of paper and having it wrongly identified as an MS-13 gang sign.


    The amendment ultimately failed 11-21, but not before the top Republican on the panel, Rep. Doug Collins of Georgia, called out Democrats for their hypocrisy.



    “If we can't bring this list up, even with due process put in, then don't ever bring the 'No Fly, No Buy' list up again."
    “Don't ever bring it up again because there is no due process on that list.”


    “Maybe you are just doodling because it is the 13th of June,” Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler of New York said.....snip~


    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-red-flag-laws



    There you have it.....the Demos do not want to do anything to limit gangs from getting and using guns. Must be do to the fact that the demos use gang members to get out their vote. Democrats don't ever want to do the Right thing.

    Even their arguments are just dumb. Why are we allowing these people to even walk out in public. They are a disgrace to this country.
    You cut out some interesting points in the article.

    "Democrats objected with reasons that sounded very familiar to Republicans."

    "GOP lawmakers have staunchly opposed “No Fly, No Buy” proposals Democrats have tried to pass in the House in recent years because the lists flag the wrong people."

    “You know, California had these databases, and they finally stopped when they discovered that they had 3-year-olds on the databases as gang members,” Rep. Zoe Lofgren of California said. “I mean, so some of these are reliable, a lot of them are not.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenjaminO View Post
    “You know, California had these databases, and they finally stopped when they discovered that they had 3-year-olds on the databases as gang members,” Rep. Zoe Lofgren of California said. “I mean, so some of these are reliable, a lot of them are not.”
    Same mostly invalid dumbass Democrat logic that's used in their deplorable "red flag" laws proposals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Underhanded republicans trying to pervert a law meant to disarm derainged people into racial profiling.
    Unbelievable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    House Democrats this week advanced a new measure to encourage states to pass “red flag” laws, known as extreme risk protection orders, that authorize removing guns and ammunition from dangerous individuals.


    Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee amended the measure during a Wednesday mark-up to authorize the federal government to issue extreme risk protection orders in some instances, but they rejected an amendment that would have red-flagged anyone who law enforcement lists as a gang member.


    “The majority of violent crime, including gun violence, in the United States is linked to gangs,” Rep. Ken Buck, a Colorado Republican who sponsored the amendment, said Wednesday. “My amendment is quite simple. It would allow the issuance of a red flag order against anyone whose name appears in a gang database if there was probable cause to include that individual in the database.”


    Like the no-fly lists, which have erroneously flagged many innocent individuals as terrorists (including the late Sen. Ted Kennedy), the gang databases are often inaccurate, Democrats said.



    Democrats kept objecting, arguing someone could be misidentified as gang members simply for writing “13” on a piece of paper and having it wrongly identified as an MS-13 gang sign.


    The amendment ultimately failed 11-21, but not before the top Republican on the panel, Rep. Doug Collins of Georgia, called out Democrats for their hypocrisy.



    “If we can't bring this list up, even with due process put in, then don't ever bring the 'No Fly, No Buy' list up again."
    “Don't ever bring it up again because there is no due process on that list.”


    “Maybe you are just doodling because it is the 13th of June,” Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler of New York said.....snip~


    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-red-flag-laws



    There you have it.....the Demos do not want to do anything to limit gangs from getting and using guns. Must be do to the fact that the demos use gang members to get out their vote. Democrats don't ever want to do the Right thing.

    Even their arguments are just dumb. Why are we allowing these people to even walk out in public. They are a disgrace to this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenjaminO View Post
    You cut out some interesting points in the article.

    "Democrats objected with reasons that sounded very familiar to Republicans."

    "GOP lawmakers have staunchly opposed “No Fly, No Buy” proposals Democrats have tried to pass in the House in recent years because the lists flag the wrong people."

    “You know, California had these databases, and they finally stopped when they discovered that they had 3-year-olds on the databases as gang members,” Rep. Zoe Lofgren of California said. “I mean, so some of these are reliable, a lot of them are not.”
    Thanks.....I thought Nadler being the Chair of the Judicial Committee showed just how dumb and ignorant he really is.

    Of course there is a difference with the NO Fly List. That would be the due process. Which the No Fly List never had.



    Democrats in 2016 staged a “sit-in” on the House floor, refusing to let the GOP majority conduct legislative business, in part because Republicans would not pass "No-Fly, No-Buy" legislation, which would prevent people on the federal no-fly list from purchasing guns.



    “It’s amazing to me,” Collins said. “We had a large blow-up on the floor of this House just a couple years ago about the 'No Fly, No Buy' list, which was shown to have issues, but at that point, nobody from the other side brought this is as a concern, and now we are bringing it as a concern,” Collins said.


    “If we can't bring this list up, even with due process put in, then don't ever bring the 'No Fly, No Buy' list up again."



    Don't ever bring it up again because there is no due process on that list.”.....snip~





    Then in response to the Demo out of California and his excuse about a 3 year old.




    Buck pointed out his amendment requires law enforcement to limit red-flagging to only those with probable cause to be included on the list, which is a stricter criteria.


    Buck said police have to meet a much higher threshold to list someone as a gang member.



    “This is a situation where the police officers are trained, and there are very identifiable signs, and it isn't just one sign,” Buck told Nadler.....snip~



    Now tell us more about those Democrat objections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    House Democrats this week advanced a new measure to encourage states to pass “red flag” laws, known as extreme risk protection orders, that authorize removing guns and ammunition from dangerous individuals.


    Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee amended the measure during a Wednesday mark-up to authorize the federal government to issue extreme risk protection orders in some instances, but they rejected an amendment that would have red-flagged anyone who law enforcement lists as a gang member.


    “The majority of violent crime, including gun violence, in the United States is linked to gangs,” Rep. Ken Buck, a Colorado Republican who sponsored the amendment, said Wednesday. “My amendment is quite simple. It would allow the issuance of a red flag order against anyone whose name appears in a gang database if there was probable cause to include that individual in the database.”


    Like the no-fly lists, which have erroneously flagged many innocent individuals as terrorists (including the late Sen. Ted Kennedy), the gang databases are often inaccurate, Democrats said.



    Democrats kept objecting, arguing someone could be misidentified as gang members simply for writing “13” on a piece of paper and having it wrongly identified as an MS-13 gang sign.


    The amendment ultimately failed 11-21, but not before the top Republican on the panel, Rep. Doug Collins of Georgia, called out Democrats for their hypocrisy.



    “If we can't bring this list up, even with due process put in, then don't ever bring the 'No Fly, No Buy' list up again."
    “Don't ever bring it up again because there is no due process on that list.”


    “Maybe you are just doodling because it is the 13th of June,” Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler of New York said.....snip~


    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-red-flag-laws



    There you have it.....the Demos do not want to do anything to limit gangs from getting and using guns. Must be do to the fact that the demos use gang members to get out their vote. Democrats don't ever want to do the Right thing.

    Even their arguments are just dumb. Why are we allowing these people to even walk out in public. They are a disgrace to this country.
    Naturally they dont want to offend their voting base of gang bangers drug dealers illegals and radical killers

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