The Teachings of Jesus

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[Just AnotherPerson]

Rather than listening to video stories whose producers had agendas, if you really want to know the essence of the stories, read them yourself.

For example, Jesus said, "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s; and to God, the things that are God’s," meaning a person's political stance need not be their spiritual stance. He was very clear that the two were distinctly separate.

Concerning Christians support of Trump, they can easily do that and still be following exactly what Jesus taught as it appears in the New Testament. There is no conflict. Keep in mind that Jesus said other things -- things that have been blamed (in part) for Hitler's genocidal ideas and for nearly 2,000 of pogroms against the Jews. Be careful what you state unless you actually know all there is to know.

I have read them more times than I can count. Also FYI the movie the gospel of John is not propaganda. It is word for word. So are the audio books. Everything I posted is word for word as it is written in the bible. I know because I have read it countless times. I was practically reading the bible at birth. You have no idea.

I haven't said anything about Christians and their beliefs and whether they can still believe, and still support Trump. I didn't mention that at all. You are making it up.

I interpreted Midcan's comment because I was asked to do so. It derailed a great thread but such is life. We can't expect to have anything nice here anyways.

But that being said. If Trump claims to be a Christian, then certainly forcing our nation to participate in genocide in Yemen is a deal breaker. There is no disputing that. We can't mass murder hundreds of thousands of innocent beings and still be in accordance with the teachings. It is not possible. It is possible for a Christian to be a trump supporter and not violate the tenants of their religion by not agreeing with things such as war and murder of the innocents, because they didn't do it. I know most of you don't consider death of civilians in war as murder but it most certainly is.

I don't have to be careful what I state. I wasn't trying to be controversial. I was trying to make a really nice thread. But you guys are not capable of having anything nice here.

[Just AnotherPerson]

Ok People. Remember Jesus was about the spirtual Realm. You lose me when you start talking about Socialist Jesus. The one quote was Render unto Ceasar's what is Ceasar's to to God what is God's.

He wasn't saying "pay your taxes"

He meant earthly politicals were not what he was talking about. So when we hear Jesus would be for open borders or for this or that.. it is all BS.

He spoke to the spirit not the political

Who said any of that? Why are you making stuff up?

[Just AnotherPerson]

Midcan made two statements in one paragraph. One paragraph equals one thought. You failed to address Midcan's thought, such as it was.

How do you know what Christians practice? How does he know? Is Midcan male? Clearly Midcan, whether man or woman, hates President Trump as, apprently, do you. At a minimum Midcan has commingled politics and Christian religion just as Islamists do.

I thought I was pretty right on with his post. I might be wrong. Why don't you take it up with him, since I don't know him or what he really might have meant? I don't hate Trump but I deeply dislike everything he does. For me it was Yemen. He went too far. You cant fault me for not being ok with genocide. It goes against everything human and right in the world. There is nothing ok about the murder of innocents. Nothing can make me agree with it ever.

The fact that Midcan brought Trump into this thread sucks. But it is what it is. Take up your beef with him.

[Standing Wolf]

Midcan made two statements in one paragraph. One paragraph equals one thought. You failed to address Midcan's thought, such as it was.

How do you know what Christians practice? How does he know? Is Midcan male? Clearly Midcan, whether man or woman, hates President Trump as, apprently, do you. At a minimum Midcan has commingled politics and Christian religion just as Islamists do.

And just as the "Christian Right" does in the U.S. There has always been a healthy dose of Puritanism in American politics - and often a serious commingling of religious doctrine and public policy.

Sunday closing or sales restriction laws, so-called "blue laws", still exist in some states; the Supreme Court's tolerance for them on secular grounds aside, their origin and perpetuation are a transparent bow to Christian sensibilities, vis-a-vis the Christian Sabbath.

In our recent history, religious boards and individuals were given the power by civil authorities to ban books, movies and stage performances. While seldom enforced, many "anti-blasphemy" statutes remain on the books in several states; one such law, passed by the Pennsylvania legislature in 1977, was struck down by the courts after authorities refused to permit a movie production company to use the word "Hell" in their corporate name.

Beginning in the '70s, there began to arise a number of Christian political action committees or PACs, which sought to coordinate either support or opposition to certain political candidates or issues with local churches throughout the country. Churches were provided with written material, video presentations and guest speakers to explain what the "Christian" take on the candidate or issue should be, donations for "the cause" were solicited, and the local pastors were promised a share of the proceeds.

One such cause was opposition to the passing of the treaties that would eventually return control of the Panama Canal to the government of Panama. Beginning in 1977, and continuing on into '78 when the Senate ratified the agreement, churchgoers were bombarded with the message that this action by the U.S. government would be un-Christian. I was involved with a Southern Baptist ministry in northern California at the time and I recall the controversy very well.

Should the Believer not be involved with politics? Impossible, even if one wanted to be. My own opinion is that a distinction should be drawn between taking action to ensure that one's own sincere and legitimate religious liberties are not being infringed, and advocating for religious doctrine to be codified into the secular law and enforced on the general population. The power of the courts has managed to put a stop to much of the latter practice, but efforts by some to put us all back in a place of subservience to doctrinal beliefs and restrictions continue to this day.

[Just AnotherPerson]

This is a matter for earthly debate. Again Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasars and to God what is God's. @midcan5 is trying to bring Social Justice Jesus into play. Social Justice Jesus in a false god and creation of the Modern American Left

That being said nearly all religions are against killing. Is thou shall not kill social justice Jesus? Is the hundreds of thousands of people killed in war, not killing? Slaughtering a person is killing, no matter the reason. How much more so innocent children, being starved and slaughtered by the hundreds of thousands. Does the modern right not care about following the basic religious laws? As far as I know the left are also mass murdering monsters.

[Just AnotherPerson]

Ok People. Remember Jesus was about the spirtual Realm. You lose me when you start talking about Socialist Jesus. The one quote was Render unto Ceasar's what is Ceasar's to to God what is God's.

He wasn't saying "pay your taxes"

He meant earthly politicals were not what he was talking about. So when we hear Jesus would be for open borders or for this or that.. it is all BS.

He spoke to the spirit not the political

Jesus used every action to teach a higher teaching. But he was also involved in politics to a degree. Nearly all people who are holy people or deeply religious are also involved in politics to some degree. They see reality as it is and work to bring less suffering in the world. Just look at the religious leaders of our day, like the Pope, & the Dalai Lama. All are involved in politics to a degree. The saints of the past were also involved. That is just the way it is, and always has been.

Jesus was a revolutionary of his day. He was going up against the entire establishment and they killed him. That is historical, and nearly indisputable. Even if Jesus was speaking of the spiritual it involved the political, how could it not? If he was upset at the abuses by the establishment, that was both spiritual and political. Because what they were doing was going against the laws of morality and what's right. He chastised them for their misdeeds, and that threatened their political hold.

Give to Caesars what's Caesars is taxes. Even though it was a higher teaching, it was literal. It had a deeper meaning but he used taxes to set the example and make his point. I wont go into what he meant by it. But he did use taxes to make his point about a higher deeper teaching.

[The Sage of Main Street]

Your god is pretty impotent in that he allows his representatives to sin in his name, leading devout believers into misery.

[Orion Rules]

This is a matter for earthly debate. Again Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasars and to God what is God's. @midcan5 is trying to bring Social Justice Jesus into play. Social Justice Jesus in a false god and creation of the Modern American Left

Trump supporters are blind to what their President does. The F.B.I. is correct in its investigation of the Trump campaign, its advisors.

Who benefits to what is, an inexclusive society that sponsors peace, or war?

More exist outside a system's good to that given to unknown money power,

of those who don't care.

jews wanted Christ to vy against Caesar, they were pitvipers.

Negative influences, betrayals, an alien element vying for power since its inception.

The F.B.I. is correct in its investigation of the Trump campaign. War destroys more for longer, in unseen agony, for "+" conquers.

They destroyed the infrastructure to stop a war:

[Captdon]

Be careful. You will might offend the local "conservative" element with all this talk of nonviolence and love.

An ass has to come along to mess up a nice thread.