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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    First of all, I don't know what it means to say that a country "values" all humans. Secondly, I don't think it is true what you say about America or Canada. Look at what we spend on the needy. We have a system of free healthcare, education, housing etc. We all have our warts, our successes and our failures. We have certain constitutionally guaranteed rights that Canadians don't have. We have a massive safety net -- just look at the numbers -- the fact that it isn't to your liking isn't really relevant. We have legislated anti-discrimination laws for race, sex, national origin, age, handicapped. We have forced equality in access, jobs, care, housing etc. To say we don't "value" humans is ludicrous -- unless you want to talk about the death penalty and the massive baby-killing machine we have here and all over the world. Then, I'd agree.
    Of course USA is not without virtue, but USA could do better. Poor free people and all prisoners live extremely miserable lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCitizen View Post
    Of course USA is not without virtue, but USA could do better. Poor free people and all prisoners live extremely miserable lives.
    Everybody could do better. I don't know what "extremely miserable lives" means. These are such vague terms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Everybody could do better. I don't know what "extremely miserable lives" means. These are such vague terms.
    Many people here are homeless. About 27 million have no medical insurance. Many people turn to drugs.

    Prisoners suffer greatly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCitizen View Post
    Many people here are homeless. About 27 million have no medical insurance. Many people turn to drugs.

    Prisoners suffer greatly.

    A major cause of homelessness is liberal housing restrictions. Rich liberals insist on restricting housing development and that drives prices too high for the poor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCitizen View Post
    Many people here are homeless. About 27 million have no medical insurance. Many people turn to drugs. Prisoners suffer greatly.
    People aren't homeless b/c of the government. There are a myriad of reasons. In Ohio, we have scores of empty public housing.

    90% of Americans have health insurance. https://www.americashealthrankings.o...omen/state/ALL We have poor people health insurance, we have handicapped people health insurance and old people health insurance. It's there.

    People turn to drugs b/c they don't have health insurance? I can't find a citation for that.

    Prisoners suffer greatly? No. It's true that they aren't happy. They shouldn't be happy, they are in prison. Everything that I have read, the supermax prison ADX gets the most attention and it's the inmates that do themselves harm. This is the worst of the worst -- Ted Kaczynksi, Richard Reid and Terry Nichols. I know people that have been in prison and the protections are there, you have to ask for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    People aren't homeless b/c of the government. There are a myriad of reasons. In Ohio, we have scores of empty public housing.

    90% of Americans have health insurance. https://www.americashealthrankings.o...omen/state/ALL We have poor people health insurance, we have handicapped people health insurance and old people health insurance. It's there.

    People turn to drugs b/c they don't have health insurance? I can't find a citation for that.

    Prisoners suffer greatly? No. It's true that they aren't happy. They shouldn't be happy, they are in prison. Everything that I have read, the supermax prison ADX gets the most attention and it's the inmates that do themselves harm. This is the worst of the worst -- Ted Kaczynksi, Richard Reid and Terry Nichols. I know people that have been in prison and the protections are there, you have to ask for it.
    1). I am grateful to the State for providing at least some help to people in need.

    2). Many people turn to drugs due to lack of adequate health care.

    3). In USA prisoners do suffer greatly. About 80,000 people are in solitary confinement lasting months or years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    People aren't homeless b/c of the government. There are a myriad of reasons. In Ohio, we have scores of empty public housing.

    90% of Americans have health insurance. https://www.americashealthrankings.o...omen/state/ALL We have poor people health insurance, we have handicapped people health insurance and old people health insurance. It's there.

    People turn to drugs b/c they don't have health insurance? I can't find a citation for that.

    Prisoners suffer greatly? No. It's true that they aren't happy. They shouldn't be happy, they are in prison. Everything that I have read, the supermax prison ADX gets the most attention and it's the inmates that do themselves harm. This is the worst of the worst -- Ted Kaczynksi, Richard Reid and Terry Nichols. I know people that have been in prison and the protections are there, you have to ask for it.

    I'd agree that there are homeless people everywhere even when there is plenty of housing. There always will be. But the number increases when restrictions are placed on housing and apartment development by cities simply to please rich liberals. This has been shown to be the case in at least Seattle and San Francisco.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCitizen View Post
    1). I am grateful to the State for providing at least some help to people in need.

    2). Many people turn to drugs due to lack of adequate health care.

    3). In USA prisoners do suffer greatly. About 80,000 people are in solitary confinement lasting months or years.
    That is not true relative to solitary confinement. It is illegal. I posted links previously on this issue. You were mistaken and wrong. I would respond to more of your post but I am walking into the courthouse to try to do some justice.
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    It is more complicated than this, but many are on the streets because we make it acceptable. Because we allow it. Because its easier than working.

    There is no tough love anymore. THIS IS A PROBLEM! The excuse society police have killed this tool.

    I think our school system is starting to figure some things out. We need to teach trades at the HS level. How to manage your finances as core classes. We need to teach a $5K Community College degree transfers to most 4 year institutions. We should be doing the same in prisons. The days of prisons as punishments and not reform opportunities is killing us.

    But hell we can't even accept an election result without massive fit throwing.

    Now there are obviously mental issues involved in some cases. That is a little different to me. As I said it is more complicated.
    I am tired of everyone fighting with each other. This is all by design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    That is not true relative to solitary confinement. It is illegal. I posted links previously on this issue. You were mistaken and wrong. I would respond to more of your post but I am walking into the courthouse to try to do some justice.
    I am sorry -- I have information only from documentaries. I wish you best luck!

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