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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Progressivism promoted those very things it ended up fighting against, imo.

    I'm thinking more along the lines of Christianity as the origin of individualism, albeit in relation to God, that emerged with Protestantism and the Enlightenment to undermine the universality of the Church.

    Here, I think this related to the OP:



    From The Secular Myth, a review of Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger Western Culture Today and Tomorrow: Addressing the Fundamental Issues.
    Pope Benedict (Cardinal Ratzinger) is actually a talented writer. I realized that after reading one of his works on theology.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Predestined Decadence

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Was reading that. Second paragraph between yours caught my attention:
    The university is an obsolete aristocratic institution, designed specifically for the benefit and amusement of Born to Rule richkids living off an allowance. The other students are NPCs. You're being misdirected to blame the flunkie professors rather than their student Masters.
    On the outside, trickling down on the Insiders

    We won't live free until the Democrats, and their voters, live in fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    That is interesting. Has the Catholic Church turned against the West? And I mean the classical culture of the West. And if so, what are the implications of that shift?
    Outside the realm of dogma it's sometimes difficult to determine what the Church stands for on specific issues. It's a huge international organization and the Pope isn't a dictator although some non-Catholics seem to think he is. That said, the positions Francis has taken particularly with respect to the so called migrant crisis betray a hostility to Europe and Europeans.

    Note: I agree with Alain de Benoist that "the West" has become synonymous with liberalism. I use the term much less often now.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rationalist View Post
    Ah yes. Back when the RCC actually had a real Pope.
    I have been very generous in my opinion of Francis but he has come to alarm me.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sage of Main Street View Post
    The university is an obsolete aristocratic institution, designed specifically for the benefit and amusement of Born to Rule richkids living off an allowance. The other students are NPCs. You're being misdirected to blame the flunkie professors rather than their student Masters.
    Sage, you are behind the times. Obama made college available to all by turning student loans into a government program and kicking the banks out of the business. You sound like A-OC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rationalist View Post
    Ah yes. Back when the RCC actually had a real Pope.
    I generally pay little attention, though I was raised Catholic, but the words were striking and insightful.
    Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler

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    I have been very generous in my opinion of Francis but he has come to alarm me.

    He's the first Jesuit to become Pope. The postmodern Jesuits have been into the Marxist "Liberation Theology," which was roundly criticized by John Paul II.
    On the outside, trickling down on the Insiders

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    Here's another transition from the religious to the secular: Has Capitalism Become Our Religion?, a brief review and interview with Eugene McCarraher, author of The Enchantments of Mammon: How Capitalism Became the Religion of Modernity:

    One would be hard-pressed to find a form of modern rationalism more extreme than capitalism. The laws of supply and demand and the commodification of goods like health and education strip away the mystery and sense of sacredness that were once a vital part of human life. Capitalism, Marx observed, tears asunder “all fixed, fast-frozen relations” and “drowns the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervor…in the icy water of egotistical calculation.” It wrings out of human life every drop of awe and magic and leaves in their place a hardened world of material interests and accumulation. Or so the story goes. Eugene McCarraher’s new book, The Enchantments of Mammon: How Capitalism Became the Religion of Modernity, offers a different rendering of our modern age—one in which the mysteries and sacraments of religion were transferred to the way we perceive market forces and economic development. The new world that capitalism created, McCarraher argues, is characterized not by disenchantment but by a “migration of the holy” to the realm of production and consumption, profit and price, trade and economic tribulation. Capitalism, in other words, is the new religion, a system full of enchanted superstitions and unfounded beliefs and beholden to its own clerisy of economists and managers, its own iconography of advertising and public relations, and its own political theology—a view of history and politics that is premised on the inevitability of the capitalist system spreading across the world. McCarraher spoke with The Nation about capitalism’s past and present, the lost radicalism of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, Bernie Sanders’s candidacy, and the rise of a new generation of socialists. The following has been edited and condensed for clarity.
    The interview follows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Here's another transition from the religious to the secular: Has Capitalism Become Our Religion?, a brief review and interview with Eugene McCarraher, author of The Enchantments of Mammon: How Capitalism Became the Religion of Modernity:



    The interview follows.
    That's an interesting observation, although I find that a lot of Marx's concepts are far less supported by reality than most of Adam Smith's. Socialism and Communism are more "religious", so to speak, than capitalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rationalist View Post
    That's an interesting observation, although I find that a lot of Marx's concepts are far less supported by reality than most of Adam Smith's. Socialism and Communism are more "religious", so to speak, than capitalism.
    I tend to disagree. Supporters of capitalism are evangelical in their fervor with socialism relegated to the work of the devil. Name any form of socialistic government that hasn't been deliberately undermined by capitalist politics.
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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