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Thread: U.S. Won’t Stop Turkish Advance Into Syria in Major Policy Shift

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    This is all rather shocking, no?
    I am flabbergasted I must say. I was perhaps the earliest and only Member on this forum calling for the introduction of 'boots on the ground' in Syria. there were others who were opposed to, indeed, vehemently opposed to any such deployment. In fact, I was called a Neocon, accused of enabling chaos and violence, assertions made that invasion and occupation was my answer to every conflict.

    The very boots on the ground being withdrawn by Trump.....are the very same troops I had called for years ago. Except this time, those who were so adamantly opposed to them....are now calling on them to stay. Our presence today required to prevent bloodshed. Someone explain this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    I am flabbergasted I must say. I was perhaps the earliest and only Member on this forum calling for the introduction of 'boots on the ground' in Syria. there were others who were opposed to, indeed, vehemently opposed to any such deployment. In fact, I was called a Neocon, accused of enabling chaos and violence, assertions made that invasion and occupation was my answer to every conflict.

    The very boots on the ground being withdrawn by Trump.....are the very same troops I had called for years ago. Except this time, those who were so adamantly opposed to them....are now calling on them to stay. Our presence today required to prevent bloodshed. Someone explain this

    Meh, they weren't outraged back in Aug. Nor last year when Trump started pulling Troops out of Syria. I did notice how that took place after the Kurds made an alliance with Assad.

    Turkey-Syria border: Kurds bitter as US troops ... - BBC
    Aug 16, 2019 · US troops have begun withdrawing from positions in northern Syria, paving the way for a Turkish operation against Kurdish fighters in the border area. Kurdish-led forces have until now been a key …



    'We Will Curse Them As Traitors': Syrian Kurds ... - NPR

    https://www.npr.org/2018/12/24/679813573
    Dec 24, 2018 · 'We Will Curse Them As Traitors': Syrian Kurds React To U.S. Troop Withdrawal Plan After President Trump's decision to pull out U.S. troops, residents of northeastern Syria tell …



    Donald Trump says 'it's time' to pull U.S. troops out of ...

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    Apr 03, 2018 · A vehicle of U.S. troops passes on a street, in Manbij town, north Syria, Saturday, March 31, 2018. President Donald Trump’s unscripted public declaration this week about pulling out of Syria ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    I am flabbergasted I must say. I was perhaps the earliest and only Member on this forum calling for the introduction of 'boots on the ground' in Syria. there were others who were opposed to, indeed, vehemently opposed to any such deployment. In fact, I was called a Neocon, accused of enabling chaos and violence, assertions made that invasion and occupation was my answer to every conflict.

    The very boots on the ground being withdrawn by Trump.....are the very same troops I had called for years ago. Except this time, those who were so adamantly opposed to them....are now calling on them to stay. Our presence today required to prevent bloodshed. Someone explain this
    As I understand it, President Trump ordered fifty troops to be moved out of Syria and into Northern Iraq.
    Clearly today's military is extraordinary of the presence of fifty troops is the difference between stability and instability.
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    Too much melodrama ......the Turkish mission is to remove Kurdish militia from it's border , and replace them with refugees currently under asylum in Turkey .......nothing new - they've been openly calling for it , and planning it for some time now , which everyone should be well aware of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    I am flabbergasted I must say. I was perhaps the earliest and only Member on this forum calling for the introduction of 'boots on the ground' in Syria. there were others who were opposed to, indeed, vehemently opposed to any such deployment. In fact, I was called a Neocon, accused of enabling chaos and violence, assertions made that invasion and occupation was my answer to every conflict.

    The very boots on the ground being withdrawn by Trump.....are the very same troops I had called for years ago. Except this time, those who were so adamantly opposed to them....are now calling on them to stay. Our presence today required to prevent bloodshed. Someone explain this
    It's because a lot of people who condemn American intervention are really just looking for a reason to complain about America in general. We're damned if we do, damned if we don't.

    Personally, I generally am in favor of less interventionism, but I also recognize the importance of geopolitics.

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    Wandering the Tracks After a Train Wreck

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    Our Foreign Policy Is Not the Gift That Keeps on Giving

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    I mean they only won the war against ISIS for us at a cost of some 10,000 of their soldiers, what do we owe them?

    People who have followed my thoughts on this matter know that I have consistently supported the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces and their struggle to bring democratic socialism and women's rights to the Middle East. That support does not end for me because our president likes some Islamic (my how his relationship to political Islam has changed!) quasi-dictator better. I am not a war hawk, but I'm not a pacifist either. Without our material support, these people will be drowned in blood and that's a complete and utter betrayal that only goes to show why we are so despised and distrusted by people in that part of the world.

    I'm paying close attention to which Republicans are standing up for the Kurdish people at this time because, honestly, I'm sort of expecting that we'll have a Democratic sitting president in 2024 and that, in that situation, I might actually vote in the Republican primary for the first time. The White House believes that Nikki Haley in particular has been positioning herself for a 2024 presidential run for some time now. I'm not as wholly closed-minded to someone like Nikki Haley as I guess I'm supposed to be. Or Joni Ernst. Anyway, where a politician stands on this issue at this time will definitely be relevant to what I think of you going forward. This is my #1 foreign policy concern at present.
    The incompetent Kurds lost to ISIS, which was a ragtag group of psychos whom they should have easily beaten, if any of the hype about the Peshmerga had been true. It was only President Obama's long-delayed sending in our Air Force that saved them from being exterminated. Their centuries-old conflict with the Turks is none of our business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rationalist View Post
    It's because a lot of people who condemn American intervention are really just looking for a reason to complain about America in general. We're damned if we do, damned if we don't.

    Personally, I generally am in favor of less interventionism, but I also recognize the importance of geopolitics.
    Damned if we do, damned if we don't is well said. But on this forum......you had members here who were scolding John Bolton Neocons for wanting to send troops into Syria...…..those same members today admonishing the withdrawal of those same troops.

    Sage foaming at the mouth about Ransom being on his own...….Ethereal giving the John Bolton argument why we should support the Kurds...….and again......I could call this hypocrisy on their part but it's not hypocrisy. It's a fundamental lack of being informed on this issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    This is all rather shocking, no?
    Not at all. Whatever Trump does, they are against, even if they have to embrace the formerly hated Dubya policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sage of Main Street View Post
    Not at all. Whatever Trump does, they are against, even if they have to embrace the formerly hated Dubya policy.
    So they're all piling into the Neocon tent while you're telling me I'm the last Mohican?



    You're winging it, Sage, and that's too bad.
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