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Thread: The Supreme Court must choose between the rule of law and the gender activists

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rationalist View Post
    I didn't. I mentioned it at the end of my post.
    How is religion not self-identification?
    I find your lack of faith...disturbing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    It doesn't have to be compared to anything.
    It does if you want any semblance of credibility.
    I find your lack of faith...disturbing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    You guys do realize you are on the same side, right?
    Are we?

    I can no longer tell. I thank the posts he leaves I can agree with.

    Society is term used, much like the greater good, to lend a hand to tyrants.

    Civil society is for the relationships we each form with the groups and other associations in which we voluntarily participate.

    Those two are not close other than sharing a word.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Yes, but I reject individualism. So we arrive at the same place by different vehicles.
    What you rejected was the axiomatic truth that we have rights because we exist.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pickle View Post
    How is religion not self-identification?
    I did concede that there were a few similarities between religion and the concept of gender identity. They are both self-identification on a basic level. One has a much more significant social context, however.

    That being said, honestly, I think religion shouldn't be a protected class. The fact that it is does open the door to gender identity and a few other items, but it certainly doesn't require it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    What you rejected was the axiomatic truth that we have rights because we exist.
    No, I accept we have rights because we exist as social beings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    No, I accept we have rights because we exist as social beings.
    Being social is not relevant. Being a being is the only requirement for my right to life, liberty, and the enjoyment of my property. Being social is why we build civil societies.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Being social is not relevant. Being a being is the only requirement for my right to life, liberty, and the enjoyment of my property. Being social is why we build civil societies.
    OK, so show us where it says individual rights in "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Or in "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." Or in "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pickle View Post
    It does if you want any semblance of credibility.
    Not at all.

    If examined as a stand alone entity, your analogy fails on its own. It doesn't have to be compared to something better.
    “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.” - Barry Goldwater

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    That was my point.

    And the history and that point was elaborately and excellently argued by Hadley Arkes in Beyond the Constitution. @Peter1469, have you read this book by Arkes? As good as his First Things.
    No I have not read that one.
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