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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    China is not interested in changing its shady practices when diplomacy is the primary tool. That is why they have gotten away with it for decades. Trump's actions have slapped some sense into them and they are coming back to the table in the position of weakness.
    As far as I'm aware , it has never been tried ......with Trump now using sanctions as an economic weapon across most of the world , support seems to be evaporating....it remains to be seen if China has been "slapped into a position of weakness " , the trade talks recently didn't yield anything positive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    No ....inaccurate. I believe the trade deficit should be addressed through diplomatic channels , and not by trashing the global economy , even before they sit down to talk..I also think the blame for the loss of intellectual property should rest with those who gave it away , which you continue to ignore. I also believe that that you cannot have proper foreign policy outcomes , if you view the world from an uncompromising American perspective , and are so heavily influenced by corporations with vested interests in the outcomes of foreign policy.
    So, just so I have this straight. You'll not even acknowledge China's tariffs on US goods, but the US tariffs on China's goods you label as the "trashing of the global economy?" You're seeming to assert that China's import tariffs don't influence the global economy, the US' trash it.

    And perhaps US businesses moving their manufacturing to China does put blame on them, are you suggesting US firms withdraw from China. That if our product patents are ignored, we bring our manufacturing home?

    And do you really believe China doesn't engage foreign policy from an uncompromising Chinese perspective?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    As far as I'm aware , it has never been tried ......with Trump now using sanctions as an economic weapon across most of the world , support seems to be evaporating....it remains to be seen if China has been "slapped into a position of weakness " , the trade talks recently didn't yield anything positive.
    What are China using their tariff's as if not for economic tools or weapons? Why are our reciprocal tariffs weapons, what do you label Chinese tariffs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    They likely work with our intelligence apparatus - but for different purposes than Chinese corporations.
    You need to explain this statement a bit better , to be taken seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    As far as I'm aware , it has never been tried ......with Trump now using sanctions as an economic weapon across most of the world , support seems to be evaporating....it remains to be seen if China has been "slapped into a position of weakness " , the trade talks recently didn't yield anything positive.
    I posted an article a while back that showed that China has already agreed to 90% of Trump's demands. I said in that post that Trump should take that as a victory and find a way to seal the deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    You need to explain this statement a bit better , to be taken seriously.
    Our tech companies likely work with US intelligence for domestic surveillance purposes. They are not stealing intellectual property- which is one of Trump's primary complaints with China.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    What are China using their tariff's as if not for economic tools or weapons? Why are our reciprocal tariffs weapons, what do you label Chinese tariffs?
    Well the trade war has not fixed anything , and its been over a year since it began . Diplomatic negotiations could have improved things in a fraction of that time , possibly , we'll never know. Deep structural problems in the US financial system cannot be solved by a trade war with China. I don't think China is America's most urgent problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    Well the trade war has not fixed anything , and its been over a year since it began . Diplomatic negotiations could have improved things in a fraction of that time , possibly , we'll never know. Deep structural problems in the US financial system cannot be solved by a trade war with China. I don't think China is America's most urgent problem.
    Again, you are mistaken. IP theft. They've been negotiating while the Chi-coms have been stealing our IP for decades. Trump drew the line in the sand, the D's quietly supported it and we were off. The "fraction of that time" comment again demonstrates your naivete on these issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    Well the trade war has not fixed anything , and its been over a year since it began .
    What is China's role in this "war?" Are China's tariffs responsible......in any way.....for this war or trashing of the global economy? Is it only US tariffs that are causing this war, is it that the US is 'giving away' intellectual property and China an honest country merely given the opportunity to steal?


    Diplomatic negotiations could have improved things in a fraction of that time , possibly , we'll never know.
    Would China be required to remove their tariffs as part of this "improving things" or would the US alone be required to drop our tariffs on Chinese goods?


    Deep structural problems in the US financial system cannot be solved by a trade war with China. I don't think China is America's most urgent problem.
    Can deep structural problems in the Chinese financial system be solved by placing tariffs on US goods? I don't think America is China's most urgent problem, do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    So, just so I have this straight. You'll not even acknowledge China's tariffs on US goods, but the US tariffs on China's goods you label as the "trashing of the global economy?"
    Nice attempt to put words in my mouth , but you are way off ......... Who is using tariiffs ,or who is not , is a moot point - it's Trump's methodology of trying to fix things that's the problem . He's playing to the home crowd ,grandstanding , to increase his election prospects , at the expense of international relations. It's starting to look as though he just ain't got what takes . The Middle East is in worse shape , by his actions , than when he was elected ,the debt time bomb is still ticking ,the global economy is in limbo while he performs...... and the swamp still needs draining.....stand-over tactics against your biggest trading partner is not the best way to get a desirable result ....he may do better in his second term , but to date , he's done very little of real substance.

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