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    Did Meriwether Lewis kill himself or get killed?

    Did Meriwether Lewis kill himself or get killed?

    I brought this topic up a year or so ago. It is back. The article is OK. Some of the comments are pretty good.

    aptain Meriwether Lewis—William Clark’s expedition partner on the Corps of Discovery’s historic trek to the Pacific, Thomas Jefferson’s confidante, governor of the Upper Louisiana Territory and all-around American hero—was only 35 when he died of gunshot wounds sustained along a perilous Tennessee trail called Natchez Trace. A broken column, symbol of a life cut short, marks his grave.


    But exactly what transpired at a remote inn 200 years ago this Saturday? Most historians agree that he committed suicide; others are convinced he was murdered. Now Lewis’s descendants and some scholars are campaigning to exhume his body, which is buried on national parkland not far from Hohenwald, Tenn.


    “This controversy has existed since his death,” says Tom McSwain, Lewis’s great-great-great-great nephew who helped start a Web site, “Solve the Mystery,” that lays out family members’ point of view. “When there’s so much uncertainty and doubt, we must have more evidence. History is about finding the truth,” he adds. The National Park Service is currently reviewing the exhumation request.


    The intrigue surrounding the famous explorer’s untimely death has spawned a cottage industry of books and articles, with experts from a variety of fields, including forensics and mental health, weighing in. Scholars have reconstructed lunar cycles to prove that the innkeeper’s wife couldn’t have seen what she said she saw that moonless night. Black powder pistols have been test-fired, forgeries claimed and mitochondrial DNA extracted from living relatives. Yet even now, precious little is known about the events of October 10, 1809, after Lewis – armed with several pistols, a rifle and a tomahawk – stopped at a log cabin lodging house known as Grinder’s Stand.


    He and Clark had finished their expedition three years earlier; Lewis, who was by then a governor of the large swath of land that constituted the Upper Louisiana Territory, was on his way to Washington, D.C. to settle financial matters. By some accounts, Lewis arrived at the inn with servants; by others, he arrived alone. That night, Mrs. Grinder, the innkeeper’s wife, heard several shots. She later said she saw a wounded Lewis crawling around, begging for water, but was too afraid to help him. He died, apparently of bullet wounds to the head and abdomen, shortly before sunrise the next day. One of his traveling companions, who arrived later, buried him nearby.

    His friends assumed it was suicide. Before he left St. Louis, Lewis had given several associates the power to distribute his possessions in the event of his death; while traveling, he composed a will. Lewis had reportedly attempted to take his own life several times a few weeks earlier and was known to suffer from what Jefferson called “sensible depressions of mind.” Clark had also observed his companion’s melancholy states. “I fear the weight of his mind has overcome him,” he wrote after receiving word of Lewis’s fate.
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    I forget ... why should anyone care?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lummy View Post
    I forget ... why should anyone care?
    So far you are the only one who cared enough to post in the thread. Let's see who else is interested.

    It isn't an attack on Trump or pro-Trump, so you may be all who is interested enough to post.
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    Why are innkeeper's wives such $#@!es?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helena View Post
    Why are innkeeper's wives such $#@!es?
    In this case it seems as if the family were cut throats and highwaymen. Like a modern horror movie.

    I would think that Captain Lewis knew that the Natchez Trace was one of the most dangerous places in the US at that time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    So far you are the only one who cared enough to post in the thread. Let's see who else is interested.

    It isn't an attack on Trump or pro-Trump, so you may be all who is interested enough to post.
    I read about this notion decades ago, but it was of no real interest to me then either, aside from he and Clark being heroes of the day, and so why would anyone kill him? Politics, I suppose, if in fact he didn't kill himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    So far you are the only one who cared enough to post in the thread. Let's see who else is interested.

    It isn't an attack on Trump or pro-Trump, so you may be all who is interested enough to post.
    Even though I momentarily wondered why Peters posting about some dead boxer in Oss History because its In History I looked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lummy View Post
    I read about this notion decades ago, but it was of no real interest to me then either, aside from he and Clark being heroes of the day, and so why would anyone kill him? Politics, I suppose, if in fact he didn't kill himself.
    The article and the comments cover several theories.

    - It may we have been suicide. Lewis was known to have bi-polar or some other depressive disorder. Some claim he had a serious alcoholism problem. And decedents of Lewis do report that their family line has a history of depression and suicides. They all claim, as Lewis did, that they feel like a failure despite what they achieve. But who shoots them self in the head and the gut?

    - It could have been highway men- the Natchez Trail was perhaps the most dangerous place in the US at the time. And the Grinder family (the innkeepers) were believed in hindsight to have robbed and murdered many people. Like a bad horror movie today.

    - Jefferson replaced General James Wilkinson with Lewis as Governor of the Upper Louisiana Territory. Wilkinson was known at the time to be a petty and vengeful man, and later it was determined he was a spy for Spain/Mexico. Some claim that Lewis was going to DC to give Washington evidence of this and that Wilkinson had him killed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    So far you are the only one who cared enough to post in the thread. Let's see who else is interested.

    It isn't an attack on Trump or pro-Trump, so you may be all who is interested enough to post.
    Two things. First, I don’t know how one could make a credible determination one way or the other on this. We certainly aren’t going to uncover additional facts.

    Second, there are some who could figure out a way to turn this into another Trump rant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Two things. First, I don’t know how one could make a credible determination one way or the other on this. We certainly aren’t going to uncover additional facts.

    Second, there are some who could figure out a way to turn this into another Trump rant.
    1. Yes, both sides have good arguments. I put the odds at 50-50. I don't know whether a modern autopsy / medical examination of the remains would be determative or not.

    2. I hope not, but I wouldn't be surprised with all the TDS going around.
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