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Thread: Trump’s troop pullback in Syria is part of a consistent policy

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    Why would we support kurdish statehood?
    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
    It is okay to simply admit you have no idea.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Why would we support kurdish statehood?

    It is okay to simply admit you have no idea.
    Why wouldn't you support a burgeoning secular democracy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    Why wouldn't you support a burgeoning secular democracy?
    Is that what you believe the Kurds represent?

    I like the Kurds because they have excellent propaganda. That does not mean I believe we have responsibility for their safety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    Consistent policy? His policies may have an ambiguous "America first" theme, but I don't see a coherent and consistent policy.

    As to his pulling of the troops in northern Syria, it was a horrible move. If his rationale was reducing Americas role in the region, he could have given the UN or NATO an ultimatum or even a warning. The American presence there was minimal yet crucial. If it was the financial cost, there are far more costly and significant deployments.

    Frankly, it was probably Trump's dumbest move yet. Or it was purposeful and done with an awareness of the consequences. If the later is true, some ugly deal is afoot.

    Either way, Trump has $#@!ed the Kurds and is responsible for a messy conflict.
    Yes, a consistent policy. I suggest reading the article.

    Trump’s move has been called an “abrupt shift” that would “abandon” the Syrian Kurds who make up the bulk of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF). For an abrupt shift, it has been a long time coming: Trump’s Syria troop cut in December 2018 was a preview of his intent, which he reiterated this week: "I campaigned on the fact that I was going to bring our soldiers home."
    As to abandoning the Syrian Kurds, the U.S. intention for the region’s Kurds was plain in 2017 when Washington advised the Iraqi Kurds to cancel an independence referendum but stay in Iraq's federal system. Likewise, the Syrian Kurds were encouraged to open negotiations with the Assad regime to secure limited local autonomy, and it sure must be working as the SDF sells the Assad regime oil and natural gas, violating the sanctions on Syria in the process, but getting $378 million a year in oil revenue alone. And these are the “good guys”…


    I understand it is bad optics. But emotions call for defending the Kurds. Not a coherent strategy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Imagine that! I see things differently. We helped the Kurds. We gave them arms, ammunition, supplies, and territory. The Kurds are in a strong position to make a deal with a variety of other players.

    We need to disengage from conflicts we have no strategic reasons for being in. This is one.
    That is what Trump ran on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    They're a de facto autonomous region and bound by a charter. Sort of their constitution. They're big on local self government and local elections. They have a council that meets to decide national issues.

    Their charter lays out rights like freedom of religion and gender equality. Local regions are free to democratically govern within the bounds of the charter.

    ...but it is a complex situation with complex histories, relationships and competing factions. But it is democratic and opposed to religious extremism.
    Should they be defended, Common Sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    This is fascinating. Now they demand we intervene.
    They are embracing their internal liberal war hawk. The war hawks are sort of like NEOCONs. Except they seek in intervene with military force for humanitarian reasons while NEOCONs do so to spread democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    This is fascinating. Now they demand we intervene.
    I came up with different phrases but 'fascinating' fits.

    So does;

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    Are you f'n joking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    That's all well and good, however, a plan should have been made to prevent or at least mitigate the consequences we're seeing now.

    Clearly there was no thought about the consequences...and now it's being reported that some remaining US special forces have been mistakenly fired on by Turkish forces.

    Did the Trump admin not know that Turkey would invade? Or did they and not really care?
    This morning I learned that Erdogan called and told President Trump Turkey would invade through the area where we had about 50 soldiers. Erdogan requested we move them so they would not be overrun and harmed. Erdogan gave Trump assurances about how the invasion and fighting would occur.

    Do we wage war against a NATO ally? Do we want this battle with Turkey? What does Congress say? Congress can declare war if Congress believes it is important.
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