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    Why lower rates and quantitive easing are not what we need

    Why lower rates and quantitive easing are not what we need

    Trump is wrong to bully the Fed for lower interest rates. We need higher interest rates to (1) encourage savings, and (2) disencourage malinvestment.

    The Federal Reserve continues to bend the knee.


    The preeminent technocratic and unelected central body has begun part two of its 180-degree pivot: the Fed has gone from projecting two rate increases as recently as December 2018 to being about a month away from its third rate decrease this year. Taking things a dovish step further, it also just announced it will begin expanding its balance sheet again via asset purchases and injecting liquidity into the system. President Trump has been a strident advocate of both in his all-out assault on the Fed.


    This isn’t full-fledged Great Recession-tier accommodation, but it’s rather inappropriate in the face of what’s still a very solid and growing economy. Going from 3% to 2% growth is not a recession harbinger, despite Chicken Little commentary to the contrary. Jerome Powell insists that this balance sheet expansion (where the Fed buys government debt or other securities to inject money into the financial system, what people mean when they say “printing money”) isn’t quantitative easing and is being used to provide ballast to a niche part of financial activity referred to as the repo market.


    However, you can chalk me up in the “not buying it” camp. This is likely the start of the return of a Downy-soft Fed that will push on a string with all its might to keep the good times rolling. It’s difficult to have given Trump more of exactly what he wanted.


    As someone who consumes a substantial amount of financial media, it’s almost as if the collective punditry is trying to will us into recession by scaring people into behaving as if there is one (a psychological concept known as reflexivity that may just work if we all keep trying hard enough). It’s been ongoing for over a year in the presence of an economy that continues its record-long expansion in conjunction with historically low unemployment and a very robust consumer.

    Sure, you can cherry pick some pockets of weakness (e.g. manufacturing data was pretty weak recently), but introducing rate cuts and de facto quantitative easing acts in opposition to the Keynesian allegiance that you essentially must have to become a member of the Fed’s Board of Governors. A simplified explanation: Keynesianism dictates government plays a role to keep markets stable and growing by increasing fiscal spending and dovish monetary policy when the economy is weak, and the reverse when the economy is strong. Through some force of mass inculcation we’ve somehow deluded ourselves into recession fears in the midst of an economy that continues to thrive.


    Trump’s instincts surrounding fiscal policy and regulation are spot on and deserve substantial credit for the ongoing economic strength (in respect to taxation anyways, he’s anything but conservative when it comes to spending). However, regarding his monetary demands of mirroring Europe’s negative interest rate landscape, it’s an unfortunate example of being completely healthy yet still requesting medicine. Europe is absolutely nothing to envy, and has been in economic malaise for quite a while. Its monetary approach is beginning to mirror that of Japan’s, which has slashed rates and pumped liquidity into its markets since the 1980s. Japan, as it nears its third lost decade of economic growth, is a paragon of just how inflated the hubris of central banks can be, and how ineffectual their policies of essentially throwing money at their economies and cutting rates have so far borne out.


    The madness that has permeated overseas markets is something we should actively work to not import, as 43% of foreign debt currently has a negative yield. Not only has this concept empirically been unsuccessful in revivifying economies, it has significant negative implications for bank lending. If banks can’t lend and make money doing so, and end up passing on negative rates to retail depositors, that will result in cash hoarding and presents a substantial problem for liquidity. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction: this isn’t a canon that only applies to physics.


    A healthy economy requires a reasonable cost of capital for prudent resource allocation and sustainable growth; an interest rate race-to-the-bottom is a myopic, palliative solution that fails at facilitating either of these objectives. Trump’s focus is better placed on continuing to take a hatchet to restrictive regulations and to make tax cuts 2.0 happen to improve the true competitiveness and prosperity of the economy.
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    Just trying to make things look as good as he can for 2020. QE (and that's what it is, no matter what they call it) is for recovering a recessing economy, not propping up your numbers. Rate cuts are the same. Both of them should be saved for situations where they are required and not used for political ends. When we reach the point where we really need them, and you know we will sooner or later, we won't have any bullets in our gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Just trying to make things look as good as he can for 2020. QE (and that's what it is, no matter what they call it) is for recovering a recessing economy, not propping up your numbers. Rate cuts are the same. Both of them should be saved for situations where they are required and not used for political ends. When we reach the point where we really need them, and you know we will sooner or later, we won't have any bullets in our gun.
    QE is why the Obama economic recovery was the most flaccid economic recovery in US history. Without QE, the drop would have been deeper, but failing institutions would have failed, replaced and the economy would have bounced back likely as it always had prior (other than the Great Depression), within 18 months.

    The problem with QE is that it preserves failing institutions and we get what we have now: a bigger bubble with the failing institutions making the same mistakes that caused the last crash. This is what I mean when I use the word malinvestment.

    And you are right. But even with this new QE effort, the fed was already out of bullets to help in the next recession. Because of previous QE and because it is keeping interest rates artificially low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    QE is why the Obama economic recovery was the most flaccid economic recovery in US history. Without QE, the drop would have been deeper, but failing institutions would have failed, replaced and the economy would have bounced back likely as it always had prior (other than the Great Depression), within 18 months.

    The problem with QE is that it preserves failing institutions and we get what we have now: a bigger bubble with the failing institutions making the same mistakes that caused the last crash. This is what I mean when I use the word malinvestment.

    And you are right. But even with this new QE effort, the fed was already out of bullets to help in the next recession. Because of previous QE and because it is keeping interest rates artificially low.
    I agree. QE was not a good idea the first time either.

    I also agree that we should have been raising interest rates for the last 5-6 years or so. They should have been in the 4-5% range by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    I agree. QE was not a good idea the first time either.

    I also agree that we should have been raising interest rates for the last 5-6 years or so. They should have been in the 4-5% range by now.
    Agreed.

    My savings would be working really well if that were the case.
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    Federal Reserve will resume buying Treasury debt into next year

    Wrong move, as explained above. Here are some highlights from the article.

    The Fed also announced that it would ratchet up its program for buying Treasury debt into the second quarter of 2020, a program the central bank had tried to wind down as the economy strengthened.

    Both announcements came in an unusual Friday news release from the central bank, which followed a video conference among top central bank officials. It reflects how the Fed, under Chair Jerome H. Powell, is trying to adjust its approach to the economy and financial markets in the face of changing — and at times, conflicting — data.
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    Artificially low rates/QE distort buying patterns/ investment and savings patterns. It comes with sn eventual price (2007-2008). I think tates need to be raised in a gradual manner. By telegraphing the intent to do as such it would pull some dormant money off the sideline. In addition it would spread capital in a more even manner across competing asset classes. The end result of the fairer distribution would be a softer landing during the cyclical up and downs of the economy.
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    One movie shows President Trump is influencing the FEDs to get what he wants despite having little power over them. This movie also sees a President Trump that is good with economic policy but advocating bad economic policy. The other movie on the screen (the one I see) shows President Trump being right all along. The FEDs and Trump both have different viewpoints, had different ideas, and now the FEDs are admitting their mistake by doing what President Trump stated was best all along. This movie sees a President Trump that is good with economic policy and advocates for good economic policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Just trying to make things look as good as he can for 2020. QE (and that's what it is, no matter what they call it) is for recovering a recessing economy, not propping up your numbers. Rate cuts are the same. Both of them should be saved for situations where they are required and not used for political ends. When we reach the point where we really need them, and you know we will sooner or later, we won't have any bullets in our gun.
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