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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Kevin MacDonald? That Kevin MacDonald?
    Yep, that one. The individualism of such a warrior class he calls aristocratic* individualism defined by mutual reciprocity over collectivist kinship.

    *As opposed to modern egalitarian individualism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Actually, I take that back. While always expensive war became more expensive in the early modern era after the decline of feudalism because rulers came to rely almost entirely on professional forces, specialists and mercenaries who had to be paid.
    The warriors and later, the nobles would bring with them the people tied to their land.

    Generalizing, the American Revolution was fought mainly by colonists against professional armies and mercenaries. The American Civil War was fought by professional solder leaders in command of ordinary and often expendable men.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    The warriors and later, the nobles would bring with them the people tied to their land.

    Generalizing, the American Revolution was fought mainly by colonists against professional armies and mercenaries. The American Civil War was fought by professional solder leaders in command of ordinary and often expendable men.
    There were certainly levees when needed but this more for the sake of appearances and the "troops" in question were generally poorly equipped, poorly trained and worthless as far as the actual fighting was concerned. Nothing like universal conscription existed in the Middle Ages. Because levies were of such poor quality mercenaries typically comprised the bulk of infantry forces on campaign.

    I don't get this whole "expendable" thing about the Civil War. You're not the first person to mention that recently. Casualties among the officer corps, including high ranking officers, were very high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Yep, that one. The individualism of such a warrior class he calls aristocratic* individualism defined by mutual reciprocity over collectivist kinship.

    *As opposed to modern egalitarian individualism.
    I may check that out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    War was no doubt as expensive then as it is now but you have to realize that the real fighting was done by a professional core of warriors and their retainers and/or by mercenaries/paramilitaries. I use "professional" loosely. A medieval knight, for example, was not a professional in the sense that we use the term even though he trained his whole life for war. It was a much more individualistic ethos. He was more of a warrior than a soldier if that makes sense. I'm also skeptical of ancient and medieval headcounts. I hear numbers like 100,000 (the video mentions such figures more than once) and I would not be surprised if the real figure was a quarter of that.
    Except for Genghis Khan and his 100,000 man cavalry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post

    I don't get this whole "expendable" thing about the Civil War. You're not the first person to mention that recently. Casualties among the officer corps, including high ranking officers, were very high.
    I always wondered about that phrase. In that type of fighting, no one could be expendable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    There were certainly levees when needed but this more for the sake of appearances and the "troops" in question were generally poorly equipped, poorly trained and worthless as far as the actual fighting was concerned. Nothing like universal conscription existed in the Middle Ages. Because levies were of such poor quality mercenaries typically comprised the bulk of infantry forces on campaign.

    I don't get this whole "expendable" thing about the Civil War. You're not the first person to mention that recently. Casualties among the officer corps, including high ranking officers, were very high.
    They seemed expensive when so many died.
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    They seemed expensive when so many died.
    I think Admiral had mentioned Pickett's Charge as a case in point. I remember quite a few falling on that day so I looked up the specifics.

    The casualties were also high among the commanders of the charge. Trimble and Pettigrew were the most senior casualties of the day; Trimble lost a leg, and Pettigrew received a minor wound to the hand (only to die from a bullet to the abdomen suffered in a minor skirmish during the retreat to Virginia).[36] In Pickett's division, 26 of the 40 field grade officers (majors, lieutenant colonels, and colonels) were casualties—twelve killed or mortally wounded, nine wounded, four wounded and captured, and one captured.[37] All of his brigade commanders fell: Kemper was wounded seriously, captured by Union soldiers, rescued, and then captured again during the retreat to Virginia; Garnett and Armistead were killed. Garnett had a previous leg injury and rode his horse during the charge, despite knowing that conspicuously riding a horse into heavy enemy fire would mean almost certain death. Armistead, known for leading his brigade with his cap on the tip of his sword, made the farthest progress through the Union lines. He was mortally wounded, falling near "The Angle" at what is now called the High Water Mark of the Confederacy and died two days later in a Union hospital. Ironically, the Union troops that fatally wounded Armistead were under the command of his old friend, Winfield S. Han$#@!, who was himself severely wounded in the battle. Per his dying wishes, Longstreet delivered Armistead's Bible and other personal effects to Han$#@!'s wife, Almira.[38] Of the 15 regimental commanders in Pickett's division, the Virginia Military Institute produced 11 and all were casualties—six killed, five wounded.[39]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    I think Admiral had mentioned Pickett's Charge as a case in point. I remember quite a few falling on that day so I looked up the specifics.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picket...arge#Aftermath

    In which the Confederates suffered 50% casualty rate. I get the point, not only soldiers died but also officers.
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    You mean Dracula, right? Dracul was his father who also conspired against the Ottomans even though he had to send young Dracula to the Sultan's court as a hostage.

    My Hungarian friend can't stand gypsies. He makes comments from time to time but I've never seen one in real life.
    The names do get confusing. He is still considered a national hero in Romania.
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