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    Douglas Murray in conversation with Jordan Peterson

    Topics are identity politics played by the left and the right, and IQ.



    Peterson's conclusion: After comparing right and left, capitalism and communism, all human systems of governance and organization are pathological to some degree but some are minimally functional as well.
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    Some on the left argue identity politics is nothing new and point to MLK as an example. Some on the left say the right plays identity politics. Peterson argues both do but with a difference. The left puts people in identity groups where the oppressed should now win and the oppressors should lose--witness white privilege and guilt. The right, Peterson goes on, in reaction put people in identity groups where if you're identified as winning you should go on winning. Returning to MLK, he was not, imo, about losing or winning but equality. Feminism, too, has undergone a shift from seeking equality to one of insisting males lose and females win. But how do the oppressed becoming now the oppressors create social justice?
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    That video focuses on Peterson's views, this on Murry's view of identity politics and its underlying Marxism and how the trans issues is undermining the entire identity politics.

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    Jordan Peterson?

    Well, i suppose he's good, in that he tells his incel followers to buck up.

    But who else cares? His followers have become the professional victims that they supposedly decry. Boo hoo, everyone is picking on them because they're white males.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    Jordan Peterson?

    Well, i suppose he's good, in that he tells his incel followers to buck up.

    But who else cares? His followers have become the professional victims that they supposedly decry. Boo hoo, everyone is picking on them because they're white males.
    You do realize that Peterson has a lot of non-white fans, right? Also, he has a fair amount of female fans.

    There are some who listen to him that are incels, but that isn't the majority of his base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rationalist View Post
    You do realize that Peterson has a lot of non-white fans, right? Also, he has a fair amount of female fans.

    There are some who listen to him that are incels, but that isn't the majority of his base.
    M is a mirror troll. Post one thing and he posts the opposite. Here, Peterson and Murray are talking about identity politics on the left, so M makes up something about it on the right. Incel is on the right? As Peterson and Murray admit there are some on the right who engage in identity politiucs but no one ever seems able to identify just exactly who they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    Jordan Peterson?

    Well, i suppose he's good, in that he tells his incel followers to buck up.

    But who else cares? His followers have become the professional victims that they supposedly decry. Boo hoo, everyone is picking on them because they're white males.
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