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    The State and Civil Society

    An excerpt from Pierre Manent's Modern Liberty and Its Discontents, the chapter titled "Totalitarianism and the Problem of Political Representation," which originally appeared Commentaire number 26, Summer 1984, the following section:



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    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post

    Yea, looks interesting.

    This was interesting as it pertains to a recent argument in which civil society was claimed to be natural and society an artifice of the state when in historical fact the opposite is true. The old regime was social. Civil society was separated out from the state by representational government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Yea, looks interesting.

    This was interesting as it pertains to a recent argument in which civil society was claimed to be natural and society an artifice of the state when in historical fact the opposite is true. The old regime was social. Civil society was separated out from the state by representational government.
    I would say that a number of intellectual or philosophical factors were at work but, yes, the individual's direct relationship and even dependence on the state appears to be the (intended) result of liberal democracy.
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    [QUOTE=Chris;2715615]An excerpt from Pierre Manent's Modern Liberty and Its Discontents, the chapter titled "Totalitarianism and the Problem of Political Representation," which originally appeared Commentaire number 26, Summer 1984, the following section: Describes a type of cannibalism. Don't know how you unattach images so enjoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lummy View Post
    Describes a type of cannibalism. Don't know how you unattach images so enjoy.
    In a way, representative government does become a form of cannibalism. It is created, presumably in order to protect liberty, but opens the door to totalitarianism, which consumes it.



    (I don't think you can unattach the last attachment: https://forum.vbulletin.com/forum/vb...ter-you-add-it)
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