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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Oil is a strategic resource. Kurds are not.

    I suspect once things calm down SF ODAs will be back with the Kurds. After all we have ODAs in 70+ nations.
    Oil is not needed by us. It is an excuse to do one thing but not another. The oil there is not our concern. None.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Oil is not needed by us. It is an excuse to do one thing but not another. The oil there is not our concern. None.
    Oil is a strategic resource. It is the life blood of the global economy.

    Until the US brings manufacturing back home, the global economy is important to the US. If we did bring manufacturing back home we could step back and let the rest of the world burn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    How did the US stab the Kurds in the back? Our deal with them was for the US to provide them support so the Islamic State would not overtake and kill them. We did that.

    What deal do you think we had with the Kurds to enter into disputes with Turkey?
    We used them and now are throwing them to the wolves. No one said we entered any deal with them about Turkey. I don't know why you think we did. It is our national interest to have nations know we won't run away when the job is done, leaving them to do some more dying.

    We lost honor there. There's your national interest.
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    We don't owe the Kurds, or anyone in the Middle East for that matter, anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    We used them and now are throwing them to the wolves. No one said we entered any deal with them about Turkey. I don't know why you think we did. It is our national interest to have nations know we won't run away when the job is done, leaving them to do some more dying.

    We lost honor there. There's your national interest.
    Disagree.

    The Kurds should thank us from saving them from the Islamic State. They have no right to believe we would save them from anything else.
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    Just as a note of interest relating to the Turkish invasion.

    From BBC news recently:

    BBC coverage has revealed damning information about Turkey’s recent occupation of northern Syria. And it has smashed Turkish state propaganda to pieces.
    Plunder on an unseen scale

    As Turkish-backed forces seized the mostly Kurdish city of Afrin in northern Syria on 18 March, the BBC reported on the invaders’ looting of public and private property. But only on BBC Arabic did the scale of the looting become truly apparent.
    During coverage on 20 March, BBC Arabic interviewed Rami Abdurrahman from the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR). And Abdurrahman – whose organisation is normally seen as an opponent of the Assad regime – had strong words to say about the Turkish-backed anti-Assad forces which had just entered Afrin.
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    Abdurrahman said:
    The plundering was done collectively. The plundering in Afrin was worse than the Daesh [Isis/Isil] assaults… They devoured everything. I haven’t seen the regime, nor Daesh, nor the fighting factions, plundering public and private property the way the pro-Turkey ‘Syrian National Army’ did in Afrin. Not only for the loot, but out of hatred against the Kurds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Oil is a strategic resource. Kurds are not.

    I suspect once things calm down SF ODAs will be back with the Kurds. After all we have ODAs in 70+ nations.
    I was thinking more the CIA guys would become embedded.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    We used them and now are throwing them to the wolves. No one said we entered any deal with them about Turkey. I don't know why you think we did. It is our national interest to have nations know we won't run away when the job is done, leaving them to do some more dying.

    We lost honor there. There's your national interest.
    We did no such thing.

    It appears the Kurds are better off today than they were the day before we moved our 28 troops in observation posts.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Kurds Betrayal

    This article was published prior to the announcement of a ceasefire by Turkey. However the points that it makes are good. Did the US "betray" the Kurds? Yes, but so what. States act in their vital interests, not the vital interests of others.
    The Islam State was an existential threat to the Kurds, but not to the US. They should thank us for helping out against IS. But they have no reasonable expectation that the US is going to fight a border war for them in an issue that has nothing to do with US vital interests.


    Read the rest of the article at the link.
    I would modify that to say that states act in the best interest of the their puppet masters, not necessarily their masses best interest. Either that or they miscalculate their vital interest a lot. For example Iraq 2.0.
    We have proven that we cannot protect everyone even when we want to. For example the Kurds live between a rock and a hard place, nothing short of a permanent base would effect

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    I would modify that to say that states act in the best interest of the their puppet masters, not necessarily their masses best interest. Either that or they miscalculate their vital interest a lot. For example Iraq 2.0.
    We have proven that we cannot protect everyone even when we want to. For example the Kurds live between a rock and a hard place, nothing short of a permanent base would effect
    It would blow up the Middle East like nothing in the modern era if the US helped found a Kurdish State.
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