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    Kurds Betrayal

    Kurds Betrayal

    This article was published prior to the announcement of a ceasefire by Turkey. However the points that it makes are good. Did the US "betray" the Kurds? Yes, but so what. States act in their vital interests, not the vital interests of others.
    The Islam State was an existential threat to the Kurds, but not to the US. They should thank us for helping out against IS. But they have no reasonable expectation that the US is going to fight a border war for them in an issue that has nothing to do with US vital interests.
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    The reaction to Trump's pullback has been immediate and nearly unanimous. Pundits denounced Trump for betraying the "ally" who had defeated ISIS, albeit with ample American aid. Special Forces soldiers who fought beside the SDF told reporters about their shame. Congress, despite never authorizing the war in the first place, is incensed about any potential U.S. drawdown in Syria. But this rejection of the Kurds was always going to happen sooner or later. Though Trump appears to have left the Kurds in a particularly peremptory and callous manner, the real issue is the way in which America habitually acquires, arms, and then abandons partners of convenience.

    The United States chose not to employ many of its own troops in the campaign against ISIS – a war that was existential for Kurds but not for Americans. Outsourcing America’s fighting has consequences though. Despite the assurances of both politicians and military cheerleaders who write books with titles like “One Hundred Victories,” proxy warfare has ample costs. Many of these are borne by the proxies themselves, as Syria’s Kurds have now been reminded.

    The Kurds are as sympathetic a partner as one could hope to find in today’s Middle East. Secular, Westernized, and egalitarian, Kurds have carved out autonomous regions in both Iraq and Syria. Blue jeans and beer are on offer in Iraqi Kurdistan’s Erbil, while the Syrian Kurdish Women’s Protection Units (YPJ) famously employs women in combat on the frontlines and aims to establish a socialist utopia when the fighting ends. The People’s Protection Units (YPG) even drew a few American volunteers, in an echo of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade volunteers who fought fascism in the Spanish Civil War.


    Yet the Kurds remain without a country of their own. At 30 million people, Kurds are the largest stateless nation in the Middle East. A quick look at a map shows why. The Kurds sprawl across four countries: nearly half are in Turkey, with the rest divided between Iraq, Iran, and Syria. None of those countries would allow a Kurdish state, and all have fought intermittently to prevent the formation of one. Some are willing to grant the Kurds varying degrees of autonomy. Instead of enabling that autonomy within Bashar Assad's Syria, a tough but necessary pill to swallow, U.S. officials ordered American forces to remain in the Kurdish region, encouraging fantasies of a Kurdish state. Faced with confronting Turkey alone, the Kurds did what they were always going to have to do, and concluded a hasty deal with Assad. Russia has been the biggest beneficiary.


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    Pete, I really don't think we should have turned our backs on the Kurds.
    They were a good ally and did most of the fighting and ground work with only a minimal presence in the area.
    We may not like being in the ME but it's still better to have allies there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenjaminO View Post
    Pete, I really don't think we should have turned our backs on the Kurds.
    They were a good ally and did most of the fighting and ground work with only a minimal presence in the area.
    We may not like being in the ME but it's still better to have allies there.
    just sayin...
    That would be nice, but it is not a vital interest. And like I said the US helping the Kurds fight the Islamic State benefited them much more than it did the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    That would be nice, but it is not a vital interest. And like I said the US helping the Kurds fight the Islamic State benefited them much more than it did the US.
    But why are we keeping forces in Syria to protect oil interests and why is that more important than sticking with an ally? We only had minimal troops there. The Kurds did most if not all of the fighting. Plus they know the landscape, the territory. Why not stay with them?
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    Sounds like we are sending Tanks and troops back into Syria to protect the troops that are protecting the oil.
    Doesn't sound like a good situation as they are surrounded by Russian troops, Syrian troops, and Turkish troops.
    Who is protecting who from who?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenjaminO View Post
    But why are we keeping forces in Syria to protect oil interests and why is that more important than sticking with an ally? We only had minimal troops there. The Kurds did most if not all of the fighting. Plus they know the landscape, the territory. Why not stay with them?
    Because war with Turkey would be a bad thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenjaminO View Post
    But why are we keeping forces in Syria to protect oil interests and why is that more important than sticking with an ally? We only had minimal troops there. The Kurds did most if not all of the fighting. Plus they know the landscape, the territory. Why not stay with them?
    Oil is a strategic resource. Kurds are not.

    I suspect once things calm down SF ODAs will be back with the Kurds. After all we have ODAs in 70+ nations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenjaminO View Post
    Sounds like we are sending Tanks and troops back into Syria to protect the troops that are protecting the oil.
    Doesn't sound like a good situation as they are surrounded by Russian troops, Syrian troops, and Turkish troops.
    Who is protecting who from who?
    It seems as if the US wants to protect the oil from Islamists since they use the oil to finance their operations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Kurds Betrayal

    This article was published prior to the announcement of a ceasefire by Turkey. However the points that it makes are good. Did the US "betray" the Kurds? Yes, but so what. States act in their vital interests, not the vital interests of others.
    The Islam State was an existential threat to the Kurds, but not to the US. They should thank us for helping out against IS. But they have no reasonable expectation that the US is going to fight a border war for them in an issue that has nothing to do with US vital interests.


    Read the rest of the article at the link.
    The Kurds didn't ask us to fight for them. We stabbed them in the back for no apparent reason. Turkey is not our ally. What they are doing is against our national interest. You have a NATO country helping the very nation NATO was set up to protect. If Russia isn't the threat NATO is like a drug that we;re addicted to.

    If Trump was being honest he would tell the Turks to get out of NATO, get the nukes out and tell the rest of NATO to $#@! off. NATO is a relic of a cold war that no longer exists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    The Kurds didn't ask us to fight for them. We stabbed them in the back for no apparent reason. Turkey is not our ally. What they are doing is against our national interest. You have a NATO country helping the very nation NATO was set up to protect. If Russia isn't the threat NATO is like a drug that we;re addicted to.

    If Trump was being honest he would tell the Turks to get out of NATO, get the nukes out and tell the rest of NATO to $#@! off. NATO is a relic of a cold war that no longer exists.
    How did the US stab the Kurds in the back? Our deal with them was for the US to provide them support so the Islamic State would not overtake and kill them. We did that.

    What deal do you think we had with the Kurds to enter into disputes with Turkey?
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