George Will, "The Conservative Sensibility"

[Chris]

Yea, I know, some on the right dislike Will or turning against Trump. Oh, well. He has interesting things to say still about conservatism.

Here's a paraphrase of some of the first five minutes of a long talk.

We have a conflict of two visions of America, Madisonian and Wilsonian. Wilson criticized the American founding. He said the natural rights doctrine was an anthropological mistake because it postulates a stable, constant human nature, which inhibits the progressive aim to use the government to control and change the nature of human beings. He, Wilson still, is responsible for the progressive non-sequitur that a complex society/world demands an equally complex government to regulate it. Hayek countered by saying that governments require epistemic humility, the lack of which leads to the fatal conceit.

Will goes on to comment on the difference between European and American conservatism. E.C. was born in reaction to the destruction and aims to defend the existing institutions and hierarchies of society. A.C. has as its fundamental mission maintaining an open society susceptible to the fluidity, the dynamism of a market society.

You can listen for yourself:

[Common]

George Wills brand of conservatism is dead, its the opposite of far left progressivism.

The tea party far right types that want the end all social programs and cut taxs for the rich and corporations etc have as much chance at the whitehouse as Ilmar Omar

[Chris]

George Wills brand of conservatism is dead, its the opposite of far left progressivism.

The tea party far right types that want the end all social programs and cut taxs for the rich and corporations etc have as much chance at the whitehouse as Ilmar Omar

I would agree that the older, traditional, American conservatism, that Will is part of, is dying out, being replaced by a new national populism to, as some see it, manage the decline America finds itself in.

[Lummy]

Remarks on privacy @ 26:40.

[Newpublius]

Yea, I know, some on the right dislike Will or turning against Trump. Oh, well. He has interesting things to say still about conservatism.

Here's a paraphrase of some of the first five minutes of a long talk.

We have a conflict of two visions of America, Madisonian and Wilsonian. Wilson criticized the American founding. He said the natural rights doctrine was an anthropological mistake because it postulates a stable, constant human nature, which inhibits the progressive aim to use the government to control and change the nature of human beings. He, Wilson still, is responsible for the progressive non-sequitur that a complex society/world demands an equally complex government to regulate it. Hayek countered by saying that governments require epistemic humility, the lack of which leads to the fatal conceit.

Will goes on to comment on the difference between European and American conservatism. E.C. was born in reaction to the destruction and aims to defend the existing institutions and hierarchies of society. A.C. has as its fundamental mission maintaining an open society susceptible to the fluidity, the dynamism of a market society.

You can listen for yourself:

Esoteric b.s.

[Mister D]

Any conservatism that "has as its fundamental mission maintaining an open society susceptible to the fluidity, the dynamism of a market society" is a contradiction in terms. Its fundamental mission entails constant change and removes decision from the political sphere where it properly belongs. Secondly, liberalism in all its forms is predicated on anthropological mistakes, such as pre-social man and homo economicus. Worse of all, the bloated modern state is a product of the very ideology Will espouses.

I can't stand his type. Trump exists primarily because of East Coast elitist douche bags like Will not progressives. Maybe on some level he understands that.

[countryboy]

Yea, I know, some on the right dislike Will or turning against Trump. Oh, well. He has interesting things to say still about conservatism.

Here's a paraphrase of some of the first five minutes of a long talk.

We have a conflict of two visions of America, Madisonian and Wilsonian. Wilson criticized the American founding. He said the natural rights doctrine was an anthropological mistake because it postulates a stable, constant human nature, which inhibits the progressive aim to use the government to control and change the nature of human beings. He, Wilson still, is responsible for the progressive non-sequitur that a complex society/world demands an equally complex government to regulate it. Hayek countered by saying that governments require epistemic humility, the lack of which leads to the fatal conceit.

Will goes on to comment on the difference between European and American conservatism. E.C. was born in reaction to the destruction and aims to defend the existing institutions and hierarchies of society. A.C. has as its fundamental mission maintaining an open society susceptible to the fluidity, the dynamism of a market society.

You can listen for yourself:

Will has betrayed conservatism, I couldn't possibly care less about anything he has to say. If he were truly interested in the advancement of the ideology, he wouldn't have gone Level 6 TDS.

[Common]

I would agree that the older, traditional, American conservatism, that Will is part of, is dying out, being replaced by a new national populism to, as some see it, manage the decline America finds itself in.

Its a question of losing ideology, they cant win elections with their ideals and agenda. Unfortunately the country has a better chance of going to the far left than the far right.

Whoever finds a sensible middle of the road balance will win

[countryboy]

George Wills brand of conservatism is dead, its the opposite of far left progressivism.

The tea party far right types that want the end all social programs and cut taxs for the rich and corporations etc have as much chance at the whitehouse as Ilmar Omar

Good grief man, that's not at all what the Tea Party is, or was about. Where did you get such ridiculous ideas?

[Chris]

Esoteric b.s.

It is esoteric. But BS? Where do you disagree with him?