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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    The branch of government which has the most power is the congress. The legislative branch. This is obvious.

    You are trying to construct a strawman. It ain’t working
    How is the legislative branch more powerful than the executive branch or the judicial branch?
    I find your lack of faith...disturbing...

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    Eye roll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pickle View Post
    I’m just saying “co-equal” does not mean they have different roles which is what you asserted.
    No one has asserted that.

    The Legislative Branch ultimately has the greatest power. It makes law. It controls the purse. The Executive has the power to veto bills, but the Legislature, can with a super majority override that veto. The Executive commands the military, but the Legislature controls the money to operate it.

    I don't think there is any doubt, that Congress is the most powerful branch of government. The Judiciary has tried over the years to assume powers it was never intended to have, and some might say it has the greatest power because it can declare the actions of the Legislature or the Executive to be unconstitutional, but really, it only has the power the other branches allow it to have.
    "All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." Marbury Vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803). "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda Vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    No one has asserted that.

    The Legislative Branch ultimately has the greatest power. It makes law. It controls the purse. The Executive has the power to veto bills, but the Legislature, can with a super majority override that veto. The Executive commands the military, but the Legislature controls the money to operate it.

    I don't think there is any doubt, that Congress is the most powerful branch of government. The Judiciary has tried over the years to assume powers it was never intended to have, and some might say it has the greatest power because it can declare the actions of the Legislature or the Executive to be unconstitutional, but really, it only has the power the other branches allow it to have.
    Tahu asserted that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    That doesn’t make them co-equal. That means they all have their constitutional function.
    That isn’t the definition of co-equal.
    Either way you just described checks and balances. Not that one branch has more power than the other. Throw in executive orders and you have legislation at the executive level.

    I don’t get your logic on the the judicial branch. Neither the executive nor legislative branches give power or take power away from the judicial. Only the Constitution does that and the judicial branch is the last say on the interpretation of the Constitution.
    I find your lack of faith...disturbing...

    -Darth Vader

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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pickle View Post
    I don’t get your logic on the the judicial branch. Neither the executive nor legislative branches give power or take power away from the judicial. Only the Constitution does that and the judicial branch is the last say on the interpretation of the Constitution.
    The Judicial Branch has no enforcement ability. It can't do anything but make pronouncements.

    To paraphrase Stalin... "How many divisions does the Supreme Court have?"

    Executive orders are not law. They are instructions for the management of the Executive Branch of government.
    "All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." Marbury Vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803). "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda Vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491.

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    Sometimes people get stuck with trying to defend a wrong headed position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pickle View Post
    Tahu asserted that.
    . You’re having a tough time understanding the issue here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    The Judicial Branch has no enforcement ability. It can't do anything but make pronouncements.

    To paraphrase Stalin... "How many divisions does the Supreme Court have?"

    Executive orders are not law. They are instructions for the management of the Executive Branch of government.
    So you define “power” has having the ability to enforce laws. Congress doesn’t have that ability either.
    I find your lack of faith...disturbing...

    -Darth Vader

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    . You’re having a tough time understanding the issue here.
    You’re having a tough time with the definition of “co-equal”.
    I find your lack of faith...disturbing...

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    I understood that the branches were designed to be co-equal.

    http://www.leadinglawyers.com/helpde...nstitution.htm

    I think you can argue that it's become somewhat of a myth lately.
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