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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    While gerrymandering obviously changes district voting flavor, I've never believed that asking for a photo ID is discriminatory. In less than a year, the government will require a Real ID just to fly (I need to get off my butt and get mine) and virtually all loan applications, checking accounts, and even some check-cashing require a photo ID. I assume there are still folks who don't have one, and those folks are likely on the lower-income scale, but since we're moving toward more identification regulation, isn't it better to expend our time and effort to ensure that these marginalized people get a photo ID rather than shutting down the bills requiring them? I've never understood that. How hard would it be to pass a bill allowing ID-seekers to receive their birth certificates free of charge?
    The concern is not with requiring photo IDs, FK. It is with deliberately crafting legislation disallowing exactly those forms of photo ID most frequently used by minority and other largely Democratic voters; one state legislature's Republican members actually used taxpayer funds to commission a study that would inform them of which types of ID that would be. A federal court found that in North Carolina, such rules were created "with almost surgical precision" to target and disenfranchise minority voters. Some Republicans have pushed through legislation to eliminate exactly those voting practices - such as early voting and same-day registration - that minority voters tend to take advantage of in greater numbers. I can't recall if they were successful, but in one state they attempted to outlaw the option of voting a straight ticket - in other words, requiring a voter to make a selection for each office separately, and not with one action - because they learned that Democratic voters tended to do that more than Republican voters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    The concern is not with requiring photo IDs, FK. It is with deliberately crafting legislation disallowing exactly those forms of photo ID most frequently used by minority and other largely Democratic voters; one state legislature's Republican members actually used taxpayer funds to commission a study that would inform them of which types of ID that would be. A federal court found that in North Carolina, such rules were created "with almost surgical precision" to target and disenfranchise minority voters. Some Republicans have pushed through legislation to eliminate exactly those voting practices - such as early voting and same-day registration - that minority voters tend to take advantage of in greater numbers. I can't recall if they were successful, but in one state they attempted to outlaw the option of voting a straight ticket - in other words, requiring a voter to make a selection for each office separately, and not with one action - because they learned that Democratic voters tended to do that more than Republican voters.

    Or so the left reframes a legitimate concern about legal elections as yet another race-card playing accusation. But I repeat myself as would anyone who counters the self-righteous repetition of the left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    That's not what's happening. Trump does a lot of embarrassing things, and those who support him do so grudgingly because his behavior is so poor. And when you realize that -- the next logical question is why do they still support him? The answer is not because they think he's a genius, but rather because the democratic alternative is so very, very unacceptable. That should give democrats pause, but I don't think it does.
    You might consider the very nice stock market gains, or the low employment figures...or rolling back the Obama mess, to mention some of his positives.
    Trump, will get a second term and perhaps gain some polish from his first, to please those that put appearances above more important qualities.

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    You know rooster, the media and socialist public education system in this country has spent the last 4 decades teaching every how to feel sorry for themselves. Along comes a President who teaches you to feel proud of yourself and the social media outlets go insane. You want me to be self sufficient, capable, motivated....FREE...? It's the little things that give the lying Dems away. The Dems resisted ending slavery, it's the Dems who support Planned Parenthood, it's the Dems who support everything they've brainwashed people to believe it's not them who is screwing them.





    Quote Originally Posted by Rooster View Post
    You might consider the very nice stock market gains, or the low employment figures...or rolling back the Obama mess, to mention some of his positives.
    Trump, will get a second term and perhaps gain some polish from his first, to please those that put appearances above more important qualities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    None of this will mean anything to the average Trump supporter, including several members of this forum. I'm becoming more and more convinced that it would take Trump ordering a nuclear strike on Mexico or walking into Congress and putting a gun to Nancy Pelosi's head to wake a lot of folks up to just what an infantile, ignorant loose cannon they have put in the White House.
    Try finding something that sticks. Everything you liberals say is nonsense based on being sore losers. It's not a requirement that you like him.(That would worry me) HRC voters had a mental breakdown and still are $#@!ing. It's childish- oh, that's what you say he is.

    The idiocy has no end.
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our freedom and our society and our morals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    It might mean something if the author would man-up and come out of the shadows.

    It's difficult to put much faith in tell-all authors who refuse to give their names.

    If the author really is a high-ranking official in the Trump Administration, he's likely under some sort of NDA which would prevent releasing this type of information.

    Don't you think the method by which this information is arriving is just a tad fishy?
    It prevents anyone from challenging him/her. It is a gutless book only a liberal would think worth anything. It will end up on the ten cent pile.
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our freedom and our society and our morals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    It prevents anyone from challenging him/her. It is a gutless book only a liberal would think worth anything. It will end up on the ten cent pile.

    I agree. You just can't put any stock in anonymous writings. Some of the media will try to -- at first -- but since nothing can be proven, the book will be relegated to the trash in no time. Whoever the author is -- I think this book is going to go the same route as the Steele dossier. Once some of the aspects are disproved, it will be tossed aside. And, it might hurt the democrats more than it helps them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Trump supporters see him speak, they read his Tweets, they hear the descriptions of his private conduct and habits as told by person after person after former White House staffer - the rage, the childishness, the non-comprehension and failure to understand the most basic facts concerning his office or the workings of government, the refusal to read or sit through briefings about things he really needs to know, the quick and unpredictable changes of mood and direction, and all the rest of it - and they imagine...what? That it's all a pose, a game, a trick to put his "enemies" off? That he's "playing" people and is, in fact, a smooth, calculating genius, instead of the clueless, arrogant loose cannon everything he says and does would indicate? Future generations of Americans will look back at this time and be amazed at many of their forebears' naivete and gullibility.
    You're a liberal hack. You are the last one to criticize anyone. Where's your $#@!ing about the Dems trying to get Trump removed because they don't like him? Pretty two- faced is what you are. Where are your complaints about secret hearings where the opposition only gets answers when Shifty allows it? Why does he get to choose the witnesses?Where is your complaint about the damn Star Chamber the Democrats are trying to run?

    What you're spelling is the dead fish in your pocket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    I absolutely agree, but with a caveat. Much of the bad craziness attributed to the "democratic alternative" is either greatly exaggerated or manufactured out of whole cloth. You see examples of that kind of thing on this very forum every day of the week. "Democrats want to" confiscate everybody's guns, mandate sex change operations on seven-year-olds, put Karl Marx on the five dollar bill, yada yada yada. A candidate for public office, or even someone less prominent but affiliated in some way with the Democratic Party, tosses out a random thought about something they'd like to see, and suddenly it's presented by Trump supporters as the "democratic alternative" - what you and I will see if anyone but Trump is elected in 2020.

    Every accusation the Dems make about Trump is a made up from whole cloth. You not liking his methods isn't a crime. The Dems have been after him since election night. There's a fact for you. You were all waiting for the REPORT. That would do him in. Mueller himself didn't seem to know what was in it or what it meant. I never hear the Dems talk about it anymore. Before you think someone who supports him is a sap, look in the damn mirror.
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our freedom and our society and our morals.

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